Purpose of blue light?

Personal note: walking through a darkened hallway using a Fulton light with a red filter - I could not read the rooms marked in red. Could not see the red lettering at all. I knew it was there, but I couldn't see the lettering at all.

I may have to pop a vein to test the theory about which shows blood better, blue or red.

-Trevor
Niether will be very good. Let me propose an experiment:

Let's say you have a drop of red blood, and a drop of black ink on a white surface in a dark room:

With blue light, blood will appear black against a blue background. It will be impossible to distinguish from black ink. With red light, the blood AND the paper will BOTH appear red, so the black ink will appear black, all else will appear red. With a white light, it will be possible to distinguish all.


Say, more interesting photos. I think I know what you are getting at now. The frequency of light amplifies the difference in materials. I believe I've heard of something like this in detecting fake antiques or repairs that aren't visible in normal light. The UV doesn't make the glue glow, it just makes it show up by contrast. Does that sound close?
Doesn't make any sense. True UV light (eg, shorter wavelength than 365) will be almost invisible, and near-UV light that IS slighlty visible is often used in conjunction with a yellow filter to eliminate its visibility. The UV light itself then actually hinders contrast.

The key point here is that near UV will fluoresce things like bodily fluids very weakly, not "brilliantly" like a fluorescent highlighter ink.

Here's another important point: Most "UV" Leds emit in the 380-400nm, which doen't cut it for two reasons:

1) these longer wavelengths are much less effective causing object to fluoresce in the first place.
2) the light itself is much more visible (masking any fluorescence that does occur)

I actually work extensively with a 365nm laser. As the laser is monochromatic, it is much less visible than 365nm UV LEDs or fluorescent lamps which have significant amount of energy in longer portions of the spectrum. I notice all sorts of fluorescence. The light itself is just barely visible, but If I place my hand in front of the beam, my skin fluoresces bright green (as does dust/skin collecting on mirror surfaces etc).

However, this effect is far less dramatic than putting a piece of white copier paper in front of the beam (which has blue fluorescent dye that reacts to UV)
 
Doesn't make any sense.

The upper ranges of UVA. I'm just being open minded to resolve those pics. Maybe they were using a special lens.

One of three ways to use UV to detect repair is contrast according to this quick Google search on antique rugs.

I've seen some really pretty bacteria using 365nm pass through filter on an incan. May I borrow your laser this weekend?

If I had to use an LED blood tracker I'd try Xenopus's red on white flasher.

If I were needing to track blood I'd use a bad *** HotWire.
 
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I have a question I hope some of you can answer for me... Some time ago (no more than a month or so) I read a topic in the LED flashlights forum about someone having trouble with a light that had several emitters, one primary white emitter and several other coloured ones. I am interested in taking a closer look at this light as I have found the red mode on my recently purchased RA Twisty invaluable whilst out at night... I never knew that you could see so much in the dark without compromising the adjustment your eyes make to low light conditions.

I think the light that I am talking about had the coloured emitters around the outer bezel and had a right angled body (Which rules out the Innova Inforce, which I found after some searching)

Any help would be much appreciated people, many thanks and also for a lot of interesting information in this thread! :twothumbs
 
Hunters do use blue light for tracking wounded prey.
Blood shows very good, you can see small splatters on leaves, trunks, on the ground, very easily.

I am a sick sick man and almost accidently nicked myself shaving just to see what it would look like with my blue filter on my SF 6P, but I figured it would be better to ask. Does it just show up as really dark, or does blood show up in some sort of florescent type wierdness in blue light?
 
Guys,

I think I just re-read this entire thread and I am still confused--so is there any purpose to the blue light except the possible/in certain situations enhancement of blood or bodily fluids??? :sick2:
 
Guys,

I think I just re-read this entire thread and I am still confused--so is there any purpose to the blue light except the possible/in certain situations enhancement of blood or bodily fluids??? :sick2:

Blue-green (not two hues mixed, but one hue, very similar to traffic light green) is the least destructive type of light when it comes to night vision (It destroyes rhodopsin at the slowest/least rate.) Since there are not many filters in this color, we must settle for blue.
 
Blue-green (not two hues mixed, but one hue, very similar to traffic light green) is the least destructive type of light when it comes to night vision (It destroyes rhodopsin at the slowest/least rate.) Since there are not many filters in this color, we must settle for blue.
That's backwards. Cyan at 500nm will bleach your rhodopsin FASTER than any other wavelength.

Red at longer than 640nm will not beach rhodopsin at all. However, the consequence of this is that you require a lot more of it to actually see with, and your peripheral vision doesn't work well with it. If you actually have to say read a map in the dark and don't want t lose your night vision, red is your only choice, as any other color bright enough to actually read with, will bleach your rhodopsin.

If you want to see where you are walking in the dark, IMO a better choice is a VERY dim white light source. The goal in this case is not lots of lumens, but to emulate the lighting levels of say a half-moon, where you can actually use your night vision, but not at a level that's so bright you bleach away your night vision faster than it can be replaced.

IMO the ideal there is very dim neutral white light source (eg, 3600-4200k color temp) -- like the actual moon. A light running 0.2 lumen is sufficient for lighting up a large walkway outdoors in a truly dark environment (ask me how I know).
 
That's backwards. Cyan at 500nm will bleach your rhodopsin FASTER than any other wavelength.

Red at longer than 640nm will not beach rhodopsin at all. However, the consequence of this is that you require a lot more of it to actually see with, and your peripheral vision doesn't work well with it. If you actually have to say read a map in the dark and don't want t lose your night vision, red is your only choice, as any other color bright enough to actually read with, will bleach your rhodopsin.

If you want to see where you are walking in the dark, IMO a better choice is a VERY dim white light source. The goal in this case is not lots of lumens, but to emulate the lighting levels of say a half-moon, where you can actually use your night vision, but not at a level that's so bright you bleach away your night vision faster than it can be replaced.

IMO the ideal there is very dim neutral white light source (eg, 3600-4200k color temp) -- like the actual moon. A light running 0.2 lumen is sufficient for lighting up a large walkway outdoors in a truly dark environment (ask me how I know).
2xTrinity: Okay: How do you know?

Hee hee!

Also: so this totally puts us back in the same situation: is there really no purpose for blue LEDs except just having a cool color to the light?!
 
Oh it can also decrease appetite and make things less appetizing, which you may see on tv (or elsewere) occasionally.
 
a light that had several emitters, one primary white emitter and several other coloured ones.

I think the light that I am talking about had the coloured emitters around the outer bezel and had a right angled body (Which rules out the Innova Inforce, which I found after some searching)

:twothumbs

It sounds like you are describing the "Firstlight" angle-head. I have one (the LE) and it is the best light I have used so far. Mine has red & blue LEDs around the primary white. The light has a variety of functions/strobes and red LEDs can be used at three different levels. At night this is very useful.

However, the red-white-blue strobe puts out a serious beacon and shining it out the windshield of a car if you are not the Police could land you in a heap o' trouble.
 
2xTrinity: Okay: How do you know?

Hee hee!

Also: so this totally puts us back in the same situation: is there really no purpose for blue LEDs except just having a cool color to the light?!


"How do you know?"
Is that a joke or a serious question? His explaination is backed up by science. We can get into another one of those discussions about all the less common situations and on several much smaller factors such as how much more degradation 630nm leds will have on your nightvision when compared to 660nm, and how 500nm cyan is the peak wavelenght for the rod cells but if you can see it as cyan instead of grey then it's already degrading your nightvision... But he gave a very good explaination of the basics.

As for blue leds, YES, there ARE uses for them, but average people might not have a lot of everyday uses for them.
 
2xTrinity: Okay: How do you know?

Hee hee!

Also: so this totally puts us back in the same situation: is there really no purpose for blue LEDs except just having a cool color to the light?!

Ok, I'm sorry, I missed the "ask me how I know" comment at the very end of his post. I'm sorry I overreacted.
 
It sounds like you are describing the "Firstlight" angle-head. I have one (the LE) and it is the best light I have used so far. Mine has red & blue LEDs around the primary white. The light has a variety of functions/strobes and red LEDs can be used at three different levels. At night this is very useful.

However, the red-white-blue strobe puts out a serious beacon and shining it out the windshield of a car if you are not the Police could land you in a heap o' trouble.

Do you work on, or are you ever around boats/ ships? I am honestly not sure if that is the same light... I suppose the chances are high but I remember someone in the thread that i am referring to mentioning that they use the blue light whilst they are out on a boat deck at night. my first thought was that they were military/ naval personell but I suppose they could have been anything from that to a fisherman 😀

Anyone else know any other right angled lights that use a variety of emitter colours? 🙂

EDIT: Never noticed the word "Tomahawk" in the Firstlight's name... and as soon as I did it rang a bell... thats the very same light, thanks very much for your help. The post I was referring to about the ship was this one. Again thanks for clearing this up! 🙂
 
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That's backwards. Cyan at 500nm will bleach your rhodopsin FASTER than any other wavelength.

Red at longer than 640nm will not beach rhodopsin at all. However, the consequence of this is that you require a lot more of it to actually see with, and your peripheral vision doesn't work well with it. If you actually have to say read a map in the dark and don't want t lose your night vision, red is your only choice, as any other color bright enough to actually read with, will bleach your rhodopsin.

If you want to see where you are walking in the dark, IMO a better choice is a VERY dim white light source. The goal in this case is not lots of lumens, but to emulate the lighting levels of say a half-moon, where you can actually use your night vision, but not at a level that's so bright you bleach away your night vision faster than it can be replaced.

IMO the ideal there is very dim neutral white light source (eg, 3600-4200k color temp) -- like the actual moon. A light running 0.2 lumen is sufficient for lighting up a large walkway outdoors in a truly dark environment (ask me how I know).


Right and wrong:

Retaining Night Vision
To retain your night vision, a red light has been the traditional choice since before WWII when
the military settled on red as the best choice. Recently, there has been a move to green and
blue-green light, precipitated in large part by the military's change to green, which itself has been primarily motivated by the increased use of night vision equipment. Which is really better? As it turns out, green light offers some advantages over red as a means to retain night vision capability. However, it isn't cut and dried.
Total brightness, or illumination level, of the light has a potentially more significant effect on night vision retention than does the choice of red or green. Because your eyes are more receptive to green light, we gain better visual acuity at lower light levels than when using red light. Green also allows for differentiation between colors that red does not and the magenta used on aviation charts, for example, is readily readable under green light, not always the case with red.
Both reasons contribute to the fact that pilots and many others generally seem to prefer green
over red, it simply makes it easier to see and read in the dark cockpit. The potential problem is with the actual illumination levels we use, not the color of the light. The brighter the light, the more negative impact on night vision, both in our capacity to see and in how long it takes to gain back optimum night vision. This is true regardless of whether it is red or green.
Ideally, you want to use only as bright a light, red or green, as is necessary to perform your chores and no more. However, if you have a brighter light than you actually need, a brighter green light will generally have a more negative effect than an equally bright red light. Green or
blue-green has a greater capacity to adversely affect night vision because the eyes are about 100 times more sensitive to these colors, so even moderately too bight light can have a serious deleterious effect.
Another complication is that an individual's visual acuity at low light levels varies quite a bit, so what would be perfect for one, might be too bright or too dim for another. In other words, without some means to vary intensity, odds are no light will be perfect. Bottom line is that red or green will both perform adequately, but what you really should be more concerned about is to avoid very high illumination levels, of either color, if retaining night vision acuity is your goal.


http://www.kriana.com/pages/nightvision.html
 
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