Quark Mini CR2 Ti.

[carrot]

Yes, 47s is trying something different. If it doesn't work he'll stop(considering the reaction it seems likely). Just don't expect the price to drop as much as you think.

You have no idea how much I pestered 47s for a B4L-less Ti CR2 MiNi. He wouldn't budge. I doubt he is going to let CPF pressure him into dropping B4L. Remember that CPF may be his most vocal market, but not his largest.

I still think he is giving a very reasonable offer. It is a bit unorthodox, yes, but it's not like we're getting ripped off either. You will see far better runtime on primaries than on rechargeables, too.

Considerably cheaper? I respectfully disagree. It probably cost the same to manufacture any of the MiNis. Take the b4l out and I still believe the MiNi CR2 would still be sold at a higher price. The ZL H60 probably cost about the same as the other ZL lights but they charge more because its a niche light.

Exactly.

 

[carrot]

Also remember that once you've paid, the sting of your wallet only lasts a short while. You'll forget soon enough just how much you paid. But you'll keep getting batteries for your Ti CR2 MiNi (or whatever replaces it) for years to come. And perhaps even, you might enjoy your CR2 MiNi for years to come (how unthinkable, loving a light for more than 6 months?)

 

[jblackwood]

I hope they make an aluminum version. I find it hard to work a TI twisty light as opposed to aluminum. Plus anyone serious enough to buy these expensive lights, really should be into rechargeable batteries as well.

Say that to Don McLeish! His whole first run of the venerable Lunasol 20 didn't use RCR123s. He still doesn't use rechargables on his own lights . . . at least that's the impression I get (since I've never explicitly asked him), and if you think these lights are expensive, stroll over to his forum and prepare for sticker shock!

EDIT: Oh yeah, and the twist action on Don's Lunasols (I don't have others but I have two of these) is infinitely easier, smoother, etc. than any Ti Quarks I own (two, currently). And that was "Out of the box," with no further lube or service from me. Meanwhile, I had to toil to make the twist action only passable on my Quarks.

 

[Beamhead]

I really sense a circling of wagons based on allegiances not stated. Admirable to an extent, but to admonish others for having their own mind reeks of hubris.

Hubris? I say self defense, when you see an angry mob with pitch forks....................David is a friend of mine and a great asset to the hobby, if anyone wants to consider me a wagon then I am honored.
To those vowing to never purchase from 4sevens again over this single light........think before you speak or I say good riddance. :wave:

You have no idea how much I pestered 47s for a B4L-less Ti CR2 MiNi. He wouldn't budge. .

Wish I could talk out of school. 😛

 

[Henk_Lu]

Well, for european customers this torch is meanwhile on pre-order here: http://www.4sevens.pl/product_info.php?cPath=301_356&products_id=2234
No B4L-program to bother us. And includes all custom fees already. If you compare the prices in $ and € you will immediately realize that the B4L program is for free. The "price" you pay for the batteries is the advertisement you get, and your actual data in 4sevens customer data base.

Andreas

That's right indeed. The question is why that little light is so much more expensive than the same in 123. As a flashaholic, I know that there are two main reasons which may lead to a higher price : Little production quantity & having to design the light from the beginning on (for the 123 they already had the aluminium model and both sell well). How much more all that costs, no idea.

Nitecores were the same price, CR123A and CR2, weird. What's more, the CR2 didn't sell well, 4Sevens sold them with huge discounts lately. As for the Titanium, the MiNi CR2 cost as much as the Quark 123-2, weird as well.

I don't rant about the price though, only about the battery program, I just don't want to participate in any silly program where I have to answer mails to get a cell. If they give it to for exactly the same price and send me 6 cells, I'm happy. I want to buy another CR2 light and asked for cells, they ask 1,80$ for Sanyos. I planned to buy my MiNi CR2 with 20 cells. Let's say they ask 1,50$ for a cell, I would pay 120$ fir a MiNi CR2 with 20 cells (but I want the CPF discount.

As I told David in his sale thread : It's not too late! :wave:

 

[tab665]

so... we have a batteries for life program that sends you two batteries every year... on a light that has a runtime of 40 minutes... and because they are concerned about us not being able to find CR2 batteries? why not just give 10 batteries with the light and thats it. ill loose that mini before 10 years is up.

 

[jblackwood]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet on this thread but which is found on some dealer websites is that these batteries have a 10 year shelf life. I wonder if the cells we get in the B4L program (yes, I signed up!) 5, 8, and 10 years from now will have an expiration date that's faster approaching that if we HAD all gotten a bulk order. If the dates give us at least 7-10 years of shelf time with the batteries, I say it's worth it. Either way, I don't have a Quark MiNi CR123, so this will make a nice little playmate for my Neutral MiNi AA. And yes, no neutral option does suck!

 

[carrot]

so... we have a batteries for life program that sends you two batteries every year... on a light that has a runtime of 40 minutes... and because they are concerned about us not being able to find CR2 batteries? why not just give 10 batteries with the light and thats it. ill loose that mini before 10 years is up.

I don't get it?

You don't generally buy a light this small that uses exotic cells because you want to use it every day for hours on end. When you carry a light more than you use it you want it to be as small as possible, and the CR2 MiNi is perfect for this. You get a small light as a back-up, or because you use the light on an occasional basis -- finding something someone dropped in a club, theatre or restaurant, checking on the kids at night, reading a map, etc, etc. In fact, somewhere around 40-60 lumens is the maximum you need MOST of the time from a light this size. Instinctively most of us either want dim light or the brightest we can have. With multi-level lights, one must learn to take advantage of the actually very useful middle levels.

I can say that with an A2 with only 1 HOUR of runtime at 50 lumens, I managed to use it for over two months without swapping batteries, with it as my primary and only light, because of its dual modes (high/low).

So with the CR2 MiNi lasting 4.5 hours on its 40 lumen mode, I could use it for nearly a year without killing the batteries!

 

[Tixx]

Wow. This thread is the most bizarre announcement & community response I have ever seen on CPF.

Is it a sign of the apocalypse...or is it a brilliant contrast-marketing tactic? :thinking:

And will 4sevens lights keep shrinking until they create a singularity...or will they go supernova and release the maelstroms?



-Jeff

:twothumbs

 

[Tixx]

Well, I bought one as CR2 is my favorite EDC size/power ratio light. Took me a little to get over the initial shock, but I dealt with it. 🙂

 

[sol-leks]

I don't own any cr2 lights, but my initial reaction was that I thought it would be smaller. It is basically the same diameter as the mini 123. It is .3 inches shorter, but I will be interested to see a size comparison as it does not sound to me to be worth the size difference for the loss of runtime and much harder to find batteries. I was hesitant to even make the switch from AAA to cr123, but even if they are expensive you can still find cr123's most places now.

 

[Tixx]

Definitely wish the diameter was ".70 or less.

 

[FroggyTaco]

Maybe the thicker diameter body will allow for better thread engagment & less head issues.

 

[Tixx]

I thought the head issue was with the Al versions. The Aeon did fine with".70 diameter with no head issues that I remember.

 

[dandism]

Hopefully we'll see an Al iTP version for $24.99:duck:

 

[don.gwapo]

I don't own any cr2 lights, but my initial reaction was that I thought it would be smaller. It is basically the same diameter as the mini 123. It is .3 inches shorter, but I will be interested to see a size comparison as it does not sound to me to be worth the size difference for the loss of runtime and much harder to find batteries. I was hesitant to even make the switch from AAA to cr123, but even if they are expensive you can still find cr123's most places now.

See the CR2 side by side with the 123 and AA. Just scroll down and you will see the photo.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=262404&page=3

 

[recDNA]

Also remember that once you've paid, the sting of your wallet only lasts a short while. You'll forget soon enough just how much you paid. But you'll keep getting batteries for your Ti CR2 MiNi (or whatever replaces it) for years to come. And perhaps even, you might enjoy your CR2 MiNi for years to come (how unthinkable, loving a light for more than 6 months?)

Is it possible that CR2 batteries will be replaced by better batteries within 10 years and no longer be of any use?

 

[carrot]

Is it possible that CR2 batteries will be replaced by better batteries within 10 years and no longer be of any use?

What kind of question is that? Lithium batteries have been used since the 1970's and the specific chemistry in CR123A and CR2 has been around for well over two decades. It is a time-tested and proven cell, and still kicks alkaline and NiMH's butt.

It's possible, but I don't see why that would happen. I'm running some surplus Duracell CR123's made more than 10 years ago ("expired") and I have yet to notice any difference in performance.

 

[recDNA]

10 years is a very long time.

 

[olrac]

It isn't possible that a more powerful green alternative that is rechargeable will make them obsolete? Certainly this particular flashlight will be. 10 years is a very long time.

Agreed, 10 years from now we can be using Mr. Fusion batteries McFly. Seriously, who knows!