FC.
Flashlight Enthusiast
Dear Paul, could you post a picture of A2s and L1s guts? Thanks.
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Size15's
Flashaholic
This is a bit like asking Shelby how he gets those fantastic effects in his photos.
I'm sure someone will take apart their A2 soon enough. It sure as hell won't be me!
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I'm sure someone will take apart their A2 soon enough. It sure as hell won't be me!
Al /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohgeez.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
WaltH
Enlightened
no disassemble.
FC.
Flashlight Enthusiast
Because it is.
Tombeis
Enlightened
tkl:
Why do you insist on "torch-ering" yourself by buying still another Surefire?
Why do you insist on "torch-ering" yourself by buying still another Surefire?
FC.
Flashlight Enthusiast
I am surprised they didn't say 50hrs. That would be true also.
Size15's
Flashaholic
The A2's Lamp Assembly can be removed like most other SureFires - carefully.
The LEDs "ring" is screwed into the Bezel.
FC has a photo of mine online that helps to show this I believe...
Al
The LEDs "ring" is screwed into the Bezel.
FC has a photo of mine online that helps to show this I believe...
Al
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I'm sure someone will take apart their A2 soon enough. It sure as hell won't be me!....
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif It just might be me. Need to keep my 1000 batting record on the Surefire lights. KL1, KL3, L1. I love taking things apart!!!
Size15s said:
I'm sure someone will take apart their A2 soon enough. It sure as hell won't be me!....
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif It just might be me. Need to keep my 1000 batting record on the Surefire lights. KL1, KL3, L1. I love taking things apart!!!
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FC. said:
Because it is.
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Sorry, but that is simply not possible. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Driven at specs the Luxeon needs 350mA. The efficiency of the step-up(?) is certainly not 100%, so lets say is draws 450mA from the batteries. One SF123 might have 1400mAh. Because of that it's impossible to get 5 hours of full power.
FC. said:
Because it is.
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Sorry, but that is simply not possible. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Driven at specs the Luxeon needs 350mA. The efficiency of the step-up(?) is certainly not 100%, so lets say is draws 450mA from the batteries. One SF123 might have 1400mAh. Because of that it's impossible to get 5 hours of full power.
FC.
Flashlight Enthusiast
Does it say anywhere 5hrs at full power? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/twak.gif I didn't think so /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
"The L1 produces useable light for up to 50 hours on the low-beam setting; high-beam runtime is approximately five hours."
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif To me it sounds like that. Maybe they didn't mean "full-power". Anyway it is confusing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon23.gif
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif To me it sounds like that. Maybe they didn't mean "full-power". Anyway it is confusing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon23.gif
revolvergeek
Flashlight Enthusiast
From looking at the graphs that came with mine, I think the "high-beam 5 hours" means that light output will be greater than the low output setting for 5 hours.
Apparently, after 5 hours you can push the button down as far as you want, but it still looks like low-beam. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon6.gif
Apparently, after 5 hours you can push the button down as far as you want, but it still looks like low-beam. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon6.gif
MicroE
Enlightened
Give SF a break, guys. They are trying to sell lights and be honest while living in a highly competitive market.
Please realize that Surefire is at the mercy of the competition and the competition isn't always fair.
We have all seen some companies advertise their lights in candlepower or MSCP. SF then has to try and fight that (almost) useless data by educating the customer base about lumens. Educating the public is very difficult and expensive.
The same holds true for runtimes. If one company claims that their LED light has a runtime of 6 hours (even though it's only 3 hours of full-power light) then SF has to advertise a runtime in the same neighborhood or they will be viewed as inferior. SF can talk about how only part of the competitor's runtime is full-power, but it is a losing battle. Only a real flashaholic will stay around long enough to hear and understand the reasoning and compare runtime graphs.
Most members of the general public make up their minds in under a minute for purchases. If Company A says that their light runs 6 hours and Company B says their light runs 3 hours then they buy A. Most cars are bought for emotional reasons, not because people studied the numbers and graphs and chose the vehicle that was most logical for their needs.---Marc
Please realize that Surefire is at the mercy of the competition and the competition isn't always fair.
We have all seen some companies advertise their lights in candlepower or MSCP. SF then has to try and fight that (almost) useless data by educating the customer base about lumens. Educating the public is very difficult and expensive.
The same holds true for runtimes. If one company claims that their LED light has a runtime of 6 hours (even though it's only 3 hours of full-power light) then SF has to advertise a runtime in the same neighborhood or they will be viewed as inferior. SF can talk about how only part of the competitor's runtime is full-power, but it is a losing battle. Only a real flashaholic will stay around long enough to hear and understand the reasoning and compare runtime graphs.
Most members of the general public make up their minds in under a minute for purchases. If Company A says that their light runs 6 hours and Company B says their light runs 3 hours then they buy A. Most cars are bought for emotional reasons, not because people studied the numbers and graphs and chose the vehicle that was most logical for their needs.---Marc
revolvergeek
Flashlight Enthusiast
I am not beating up on Surefire. I was just trying to clarify what seems to be a surprisingly contentious issue.
I think the L1 is a hell of a piece of technology, but I doubt that I will keep mine. I find the low beam to be a little too low, and wish that the hi-beam had a little more throw. I suspect that this little guy would easily handle 90%+ of what most people use a flashlight for.
I suspect that I will love the L2 (assuming that it is using a 5W SE and a reflector like the pics suggest) when it comes out and live happily ever after with it.
I think the L1 is a hell of a piece of technology, but I doubt that I will keep mine. I find the low beam to be a little too low, and wish that the hi-beam had a little more throw. I suspect that this little guy would easily handle 90%+ of what most people use a flashlight for.
I suspect that I will love the L2 (assuming that it is using a 5W SE and a reflector like the pics suggest) when it comes out and live happily ever after with it.
Size15's
Flashaholic
I have NEVER seen a photo of the L2 in it's current form.
NEVER.
The L2 proto-type shown at 2002 SHOT is NOTHING like the current L2.
That said, if anyone can do 5 Watt Luxeons credit, it'll be PK and his team. Will have to wait and see if this proto-type concept ever becomes reality. Remember, there is no production plan nor a projected released date for the L2.
Al
NEVER.
The L2 proto-type shown at 2002 SHOT is NOTHING like the current L2.
That said, if anyone can do 5 Watt Luxeons credit, it'll be PK and his team. Will have to wait and see if this proto-type concept ever becomes reality. Remember, there is no production plan nor a projected released date for the L2.
Al
