Ra Clicky Part 4

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paxxus said:
Hmm, can't hear anything - I have seen no notification from the dealer I ordered from (UT) that shipping should be imminent.

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I highly suggest that you listen more carefully later this afternoon. Keep in mind that Tucson AZ is in the Mountain Standard Time Zone or -0600 GMT.


 
luxlover said:
I see a pattern emerging! Whenever karlthev disagrees with a poster's opinion, which in this case is a series of facts of which he has been aware for as long as I have, his brain freezes up and all he can do is shake his head via this graemlin. :shakehead Poor karl! "Spress yo'self karl! Tell everybody what you know!

Jeff
Bearer of truth
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Always remember, Less is more.
 
karlthev said:
On this we agree...this light will be a keeper....
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A "keeper" is saying it mildly. We will pass it down through the generations.....for all of posterity.....for all of eternity. Of course, as the more efficient emitters become available, the owners will want to upgrade. It is a natural instinct!


 
luxlover said:
I am compelled to correct your correction, correctly.....MST = Mountain Standard Time. MDT = Mountain Daylight Saving Time. You are in MST....no DST applied.
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Thanks luxlover, I can always count on you to correct my corrections correctly.

Just wanted to be clear the we do not put up with that DST garbage here in AZ.
 
LLCoolBeans said:
Thanks luxlover, I can always count on you to correct my corrections correctly.

Just wanted to be clear the we do not put up with that DST garbage here in AZ.
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Thank you, but I had to refer to an AZ time zone webpage to make sure that I was correct.

Perish the thought, bud. You have until March 8, 2009 to be "DST garbage-free" in AZ. So enjoy your MST winter.


 
luxlover said:
I most certainly have a lot to add, Saturn. I have held in my feelings for too long. Now that I am back to posting in support of Henry, it is time to spill the beans:

Your explanations above, which are on a technical level, are all true. I also have a light made by NovaTac. I have had no problems with it on any front. It was also my EDC for about nine months, until the Twisty arrived. But ever since I bought it in August 2007, a lot of bad news has come to the surface about the business ethic, or should I say lack of business ethic, of NovaTac. These are the reasons why I would neither support that company on CPF, nor buy their lights nor recommend them to others:

1. Just after NovaTac bought HDS Systems and hired Henry, I had a problem with my second U60 light. I called Joe Mintz, President of NovaTac, and was offered a reduced price NovaTac light when they were released, this transaction being between Joe and I. When the lights were released about nine months later, I called him and was told that he would NOT honor his promise. In fact, he had never replied to any of my emails or phone messages in that nine month span. To this day, Joe has not kept his promise!

2. During the year that Henry worked for Joe Mintz (May 1, 2006 to May 1, 2007), his creativity had been curtailed so that Joe could make a bundle on three series of lights that are far inferior to Henry's EDC models. Corners were cut to increase the "bottom line", and Henry could not exist under these conditions. He resigned, knowing that he would have to start a new company, which is currently HDS Lights (dba Ra Lights).

3. As part of Joe's offer to buy HDS Systems, all of it's parts, lights and calibration devices, he promised to honor HDS's lifetime warranty. About a year later, he claimed that all the parts that Henry sold to him as part of the buy-out, had been depleted, and the warranty could no longer be honored. He went so far as to offer a "meager" discount on his lights, in exchange for defective HDS lights.

4. Just about that time, we discovered that Joe was having assorted HDS parts sold on the website of an internet merchant, who was also a NovaTac dealer. But didn't he claim that he didn't have any HDS parts! How could this be? Needing replacement parts, EDC light owners had to buy parts for lights that were supposed to be warrantied for life.

5. When Henry found out about Joe's breach of contract regarding warranty service, he did a wonderful thing. He offered to honor the lifetime warranty service on EDC lights, even though he was no longer legally required to do so. the home page of his website states this fact, in black and white.

6. About nine months ago, Joe, whose NovaTac corporate office is in Carlsbad CA, walked into his Tucson Arizona facility and without any warning summarily fired every employee there, closing down the location. He cited the high cost of maintaining that manufacturing/warranty service facility, as the reason for abruptly ending the livelihood of six or seven people. There was no severence pay, as far as I know. Nice guy, huh?

Does anybody still want to buy a $99 programmable light from NovaTac, after hearing how unethically they have been conducting business?

To those still unsure of the Clicky.....if at all possible, cash in loose change, work OT, find a way to buy a Clicky and be done with it.

There is a thread on CPF, demonstrating pictorially, that Novatac has elected to make their lights inferior to the original design. Maybe that is why they have come down from $189 to $99? If I can find it, I will edit this post.
DO NOT SUPPORT NOVATAC IN ANY WAY, EVEN THOUGH YOU WILL BE SAVING $100 BY DOING SO!

Henry still makes the best lights available to the consumer market. Keep on truckin', Hank!

Jeff
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And Chinese factories and other Asia based manufacturers are among the worst polluters in the world and yet you buy products made over there (your computer for example). You are contributing to the destruction of the earth 😉. A far more serious issue than a trivial toy disguised as a flashlight. Do the right thing. Use only tin cans and lengths of string!
 
luxlover said:
I most certainly have a lot to add, Saturn. I have held in my feelings for too long. Now that I am back to posting in support of Henry, it is time to spill the beans:

Your explanations above, which are on a technical level, are all true. I also have a light made by NovaTac. I have had no problems with it on any front. It was also my EDC for about nine months, until the Twisty arrived. But ever since I bought it in August 2007, a lot of bad news has come to the surface about the business ethic, or should I say lack of business ethic, of NovaTac. These are the reasons why I would neither support that company on CPF, nor buy their lights nor recommend them to others:

1. Just after NovaTac bought HDS Systems and hired Henry, I had a problem with my second U60 light. I called Joe Mintz, President of NovaTac, and was offered a reduced price NovaTac light when they were released, this transaction being between Joe and I. When the lights were released about nine months later, I called him and was told that he would NOT honor his promise. In fact, he had never replied to any of my emails or phone messages in that nine month span. To this day, Joe has not kept his promise!

2. During the year that Henry worked for Joe Mintz (May 1, 2006 to May 1, 2007), his creativity had been curtailed so that Joe could make a bundle on three series of lights that are far inferior to Henry's EDC models. Corners were cut to increase the "bottom line", and Henry could not exist under these conditions. He resigned, knowing that he would have to start a new company, which is currently HDS Lights (dba Ra Lights).

3. As part of Joe's offer to buy HDS Systems, all of it's parts, lights and calibration devices, he promised to honor HDS's lifetime warranty. About a year later, he claimed that all the parts that Henry sold to him as part of the buy-out, had been depleted, and the warranty could no longer be honored. He went so far as to offer a "meager" discount on his lights, in exchange for defective HDS lights.

4. Just about that time, we discovered that Joe was having assorted HDS parts sold on the website of an internet merchant, who was also a NovaTac dealer. But didn't he claim that he didn't have any HDS parts! How could this be? Needing replacement parts, EDC light owners had to buy parts for lights that were supposed to be warrantied for life.

5. When Henry found out about Joe's breach of contract regarding warranty service, he did a wonderful thing. He offered to honor the lifetime warranty service on EDC lights, even though he was no longer legally required to do so. the home page of his website states this fact, in black and white.

6. About nine months ago, Joe, whose NovaTac corporate office is in Carlsbad CA, walked into his Tucson Arizona facility and without any warning summarily fired every employee there, closing down the location. He cited the high cost of maintaining that manufacturing/warranty service facility, as the reason for abruptly ending the livelihood of six or seven people. There was no severence pay, as far as I know. Nice guy, huh?

Does anybody still want to buy a $99 programmable light from NovaTac, after hearing how unethically they have been conducting business?

To those still unsure of the Clicky.....if at all possible, cash in loose change, work OT, find a way to buy a Clicky and be done with it.

There is a thread on CPF, demonstrating pictorially, that Novatac has elected to make their lights inferior to the original design. Maybe that is why they have come down from $189 to $99? If I can find it, I will edit this post.
DO NOT SUPPORT NOVATAC IN ANY WAY, EVEN THOUGH YOU WILL BE SAVING $100 BY DOING SO!

Henry still makes the best lights available to the consumer market. Keep on truckin', Hank!

Jeff
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Thanks for the intel Jeff, I was not aware of any of that.
 
Can't we all just get along?

I hope we have Clickies in hand soon, so we can talk about actual flashlights instead.
 
SnWnMe said:
And Chinese factories and other Asia based manufacturers are among the worst polluters in the world and yet you buy products made over there (your computer for example). You are contributing to the destruction of the earth 😉. A far more serious issue than a trivial toy disguised as a flashlight. Do the right thing. Use only tin cans and lengths of string!
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I already use soup cans attached by a string. I tried replacing flashlights with candles, but kept getting hot wax on my skin.

I get your point. But to avoid using our everyday products would make life almost unbearable. I listed NT's improprieties, because they have negatively affected our beloved hobby on a more direct and personal basis. All my points show total lack of integrity and respect for the entity that enriches them the most.....the consumer. The six incidents should make people run as fast as they can to any other light manufacturer, if Henry's lights do not appeal to them.

Jeff
like FoxNews....."fair and balanced."


 
gottawearshades said:
Can't we all just get along?

I hope we have Clickies in hand soon, so we can talk about actual flashlights instead.
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Yes we can get along. There is nothing to discuss about the Clicky. It has been all talked out. Maybe we should read the updated User's Guide and Customization Guide. This may prompt some productive discussion!

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