Ra Clicky Part 5

[tebore]

You guys wana try checking the allignment under an electron microscope just to make sure?

Then take the measurement and apply some quantum physics and string theory to it to make sure it's centered in this universe and others.

 

[luxlover]

I'm with you Orcinus. When using super macro, the slightest camera angle will manipulate aspects of perception. SaturnNyne just needs to be a little more exacting. :tinfoil:

Enzo,
Saturn needs a micro-mini Hubble Telescope to get in deep, deep into the nitty gritty of led die macrophotography. :devil:

 

[Robertesq1]

Not to get back on topic or anything....

How far down the list are they and what's the wait for someone who is just ordering now???

 

[luxlover]

Not to get back on topic or anything....

How far down the list are they and what's the wait for someone who is just ordering now???

That's right, on topic is so boring with so few having received a light.....

It is impossible to answer your question, since nobody knows how many are on the Battery Station pre-order list. In addition, I am not sure if Henry has been shipping to his Japanese and UK dealers. But you can look here to see how many on the Unique Titanium pre-order list have received their lights....
http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showpost.php?p=2168995&postcount=1

Jeff

 

[youreacrab]

It is impossible to answer your question, since nobody knows how many are on the Battery Station pre-order list.

Two weeks for me. Ordered Nov 21; received Dec 4.

 

[bullfrog]

I've really enjoyed following this thread for the past few months!

Very eager to buy a Clicky but just wondering, for those of you who own a Clicky 140-CN AND Twisty 85-TR:

Is the beam patter and tint pretty much identical? Other than that, I'm assuming the difference in lumens from 85 to 100 is not noticible...

Thanks!

 

[Enzo Morocioli]

never mind.

 

[SaturnNyne]

Gee golly... I snap a shot of my emitter without even really paying any attention to the minor gap on one side, and now people all over the world are discussing my horrifying misalignment! 😱 Anyway, plenty have stepped in for explanations of what's being seen here, but I figured I'd better offer up my own responses for you wonderful nutters, since I'm the only one actually able to look at it in real life.

I admit that I'm totally OCD about off center emitters - it bugs me, BIG time. Hopefully mine will be better in this regard...

It kind of amuses me that it would be such a big deal, considering that it has no effect on how it performs and isn't even a very obvious cosmetic defect. But then some would say that my tint demands are ridiculous, even though to me it's obvious and a top priority issue. Just goes to show how different we all are in our perceptions, tastes, priorities, and focuses. Since it matters to you, I do hope you strike it lucky and get one that is absolutely perfect, even if it is just an ocd cosmetic issue. However, I hope you'll still enjoy it even if it's not perfect in this regard. Even if it's like mine, I think you'd find it less offensive in person.

I hate to say it, but for some reason I've only seen this problem on more expensive non-china lights. Go figure...

When I see an expensive light with a perfect beam and an led that doesn't appear to sit perfectly center, I interpret it as the manufacturer taking the time to do it right and make sure the actual die is centered despite the large tolerances they're forced to work with; just as seems to be the case here. Getting the entire assembly centered and pretty, as on the cheaper lights, is quicker but incorrect.

I think the golden dragon LED will be more forgiving in this regard.

I took a photo of my Twisty Tr in the same way, hoping to support your idea. Don't think I really did, but you can at least see that there's no offensive gap with this style of led. And, of course, the beam is perfect on this one too... Looking at this shot for the first time, it gives me the impression of being taken at a bit of an angle again, but I'm pretty sure that's a trick of the light. The lighting is all coming from one side, with the other side darker and shadowed, creating a depth illusion. I think this one is at least very nearly perfectly perpendicular, I took a little more time to get the emitter right in the center. Oh and I tried to get this shot extra pink, just for Jeff.

As before, click for larger.
And a note to make it obvious for anyone skimming through here in the future: This is Not a Clicky photo.

Erm... You guys DID notice the shot is at an angle, not perpendicular to the surface of the emitter, right? You're just pulling SN's leg?

But there really isn't any misalignment in that photo!
Come on, people, am i the only one who can see it's not a straight-on shot?

Edit: I'd swear the reflector opening looks elliptical. But maybe it's an optical illusion...

Honestly, I don't even know. The shot was not taken at any significant angle (the lighting had to be shot in through the crenellations), but I can't guarantee that it was absolutely perfectly perpendicular either, I just quickly snapped the shot before going back to studying. At the photographic propinquity of these kinds of shots, a slight skew of the angle would likely make a significant difference. Looking at the light normally, there is no huge and offensive gap, but that small gap definitely is there on one side. I think a combination of maybe a tiny angle and just seeing it magnified so tremendously does overemphasize the issue. I have a feeling that if those who are very bothered by it were to look at the light in person, they would still notice it and be bothered by it just because that's their perception, but they'd see it as a much smaller issue than a photo 100 times larger makes it out to be. As for the reflector opening being elliptical, I think it could be too, but it is *ever so very very slight* if so; I can't even really say for certain when examining it because there's nothing to accurately compare it to, just a lot of angles that make it difficult to judge. So again, that might be a part of it, but we're talking degrees so small that they're of no practical concern.

. . . the extremely minor misalignment shown in the photo - which is as bad as it gets and is measured in single digit mils - has no visible affect on the beam.

Ha, good to know mine's an extreme example of alignment imperfection. 🙂 But as said, it has no visible effect at all, so it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Purely a matter of (very minor) cosmetic preference. Its function is absolutely perfect, so a little character in the way it comes together is a non-issue to me.

When using super macro, the slightest camera angle will manipulate aspects of perception. SaturnNyne just needs to be a little more exacting. :tinfoil:

I'll just say that I'm not worried about an emitter being misaligned in the Clicky. There were no distinct reports of that type of problem with the Twisty, and so I'd say the process for building these lights is well refined.

Hey now! If you'd seen how that shot was taken, I think you'd understand that I had priorities higher than getting the alignment dead on... 😉 You're absolutely right though, only takes a slight angle. And I can't recall ever hearing a complaint about an HDS light not having a perfect beam. Every Henry light I've seen has been beautifully focused, so no one needs to worry if their concern is only from a practical/performance standpoint. For those looking for cosmetic perfection... you'll get it if it happens to work out that way, but it will never be a priority over getting the beam right.

 

[SaturnNyne]

And now for the more off topic stuff...

I bought a brand new high end car the other day, it was all bumped up. It can't be seen from a small distance though, and most importantly it doesn't affect the performance of the car. . .

Actually I think the most appropriate analogy would be buying a car with uneven shut lines, which has been a very common issue on many cars. The English run a "pound coin test" on them to identify such little details. Fortunately, here in the US, our coins tend to be quite thin, so our cars are free to come together any way they like. 🙂

my boss has a Jaguar and his vent grill keeps popping up. . .Price doesn't determine quality, all those satisfaction reports by Jag owners are proof of that.

My understanding is they started out mechanically and electrically unreliable, Ford bought them and greatly improved their reliability record, but the tradeoff is the interiors are assembled from the same parts bins as the low end models. No winning. Speaking of vents, didn't Ford also initially put the vents from their entry level Ka in the Aston Martin Vantage, before public outcry forced them to actually put some money into the interior of their $xxx,xxx supercar? 🙄

They certainly are. Just think, I taught him everything he knows about photography.......JUST KIDDING!

In the interest of honesty, it is true that Jeff and I were discussing how to take macro shots just a few nights ago...

Now I get it. Your L1 is pink!

The secret's out.. 😱


Back towards the topic...

SaturnNyne, are those your pics hosted on the picasa site? There great pics!

Thanks, Kam. Yeah those are all my 140Cgt #5366, mostly shot on the night I got it. Due to other things demanding my attention (in the last 40 hours I've had less than four hours sleep, all in stretches of an hour or less, so playing in the dark hasn't been a top priority... wait, then what am I doing here at 3am!), I've probably spent more time photographing it than using it so far. I intend to fix that soon though...

Also old HDS clip will fit nicely with little modification.

Nice photos, Russki. That Arc clip looks great on there, I'm glad to see the old designs are still an option for those who want them.

Very eager to buy a Clicky but just wondering, for those of you who own a Clicky 140-CN AND Twisty 85-TR:

Is the beam patter and tint pretty much identical? Other than that, I'm assuming the difference in lumens from 85 to 100 is not noticible...

I'm sure you'll be able to get a response to this soon enough, but I don't think there is anyone with a 140Cn just yet. However, I would guess that your predictions are all correct. I don't think the exact same led is being used though, so we'll have to wait and see if there are any small differences in these areas.

 

[luxlover]

Welcome back to the loooong post club, Saturn. Of all your pearls of wisdom, the one that impressed me the most is this one....."I think this one is at least very nearly perfectly perpendicular, I took a little more time to get the emitter right in the center. Oh and I tried to get this shot extra pink, just for Jeff."

You have certainly "pinkified" that shot to my dismay. I think that I know why, too. Since I don't see that eyesore of a 0.001" gap anymore, you probably filled it in with ABC bubble gum! (ABC = Already Been Chewed).

I hope you know that I have been yanking your chain with the gap, color and alignment crap? We all know that it is immaterial in the real world. So let's and rejoice over these lights whether received or not!

Jeff

 

[luxlover]

In the interest of honesty, it is true that Jeff and I were discussing how to take macro shots just a few nights ago.

In the interest of honesty, Saturn is an accomplished hobby photographer, whereas I am still in diapers! 😱

 

[tsl]

... I dismantled the head of my Twisty entirely. The head and light module are the only parts that cannot be separated, since you glued them together.

Does this mean that an emitter swap down the road will be difficult if not impossible on the Clicky (either production or prototype)?

 

[luxlover]

Does this mean that an emitter swap down the road will be difficult, if not impossible, on the Clicky (either production or prototype)?

I am not sure how the emitter is mounted on the Prototype or production Clicky. But from what I saw on the Twisty, it is physically possible. I believe that they are mounted the same way in the Clicky. But remember that Henry calibrates the power supply of his lights with the emitter installed, and an emitter swap may not gain much over the stock emitter. I am sure that some wild and wacky people on CPF will do a swap and tell us their outcomes. So for now, I suggest that we enjoy our lights straight out of the box.

 

[Robertesq1]

Two weeks for me. Ordered Nov 21; received Dec 4.

Wow... Where, pray tell did you order from??




Q

http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/sho...95&postcount=1[/url]

Jeff

Thanks and hope you understood I was (trying) to be funny.

Robert

 

[luxlover]

Thanks and hope you understood I was (trying) to be funny.

Robert

Robert,
Not only were you trying to be funny, you succeeded. We were hot and heavy on an off-topic mode yesterday and it couldn't hurt getting back to the glory of the Clicky. As more people receive their lights, we will see more light oriented chatter. We are just killing time. Just because I have my light, doesn't mean that I am not anxious for others to receive theirs and to start posting their impressions, etc. I look at every Clicky owner as my bro' and a sis'.

Jeff

 

[Kamakazikev24]

😱AAARHHHGGGGGG!!!!😱

I Can't wait to get this light!

Come on Henry, Get some of these bad boys shipped over to England!😀😀

 

[luxlover]

😱AAARHHHGGGGGG!!!!😱

I Can't wait to get this light!

Come on Henry, Get some of these bad boys shipped over to England! 😀😀

I can't wait until YOU get this light too, Kam!

I don't know what is the problem. They have a great waterproof rating and should easily make it over The Pond to Merry Ol' England?
Jeff

 

[cabbynate]

Well out of the few people that have received there Clicky there have not been any in the BST forum. That's a good sign!!!:thumbsup:

 

[luxlover]

Well out of the few people that have received there Clicky there have not been any in the BST forum. That's a good sign!!!:thumbsup:

Please don't give anybody any ideas! I just had my lunch and I want it to stay "down!"

I have seen lights that have been bought, and then sold on B/S/T the next day.....limited availability lights of great value.....with long waits before receiving them. But for the niche of flashaholics who have followed Henry's pathway into flashlight history, I cannot fathom this happening with the Clicky. :shakehead

 

[orcinus]

Gee golly... I snap a shot of my emitter without even really paying any attention to the minor gap on one side, and now people all over the world are discussing my horrifying misalignment! 😱

Well, i do have to pass the time 'till i get my Clicky somehow,don't i? 😀