Rechargeable CR123 and Charger Compatability

Delta1067

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You can use any brand battery with any brand charger, just make sure the voltage is right. I would not recommend Trustfires or Ultrafire RCR123 from my personal experience.

Bought a total of 5 2-packs, and 7 of them died. These died when i tried to swap between modes in my flashlight or performing the low to high variable output. Had to remove the PCB to use them as unprotected.

If you really need to use RCR then get AW cells or Tenergy protected, I have both and they perform with no problems. But if your flashlight usage is not that regular, get Primaries instead. They last longer and you can take few with you in case of emergency.
 
Hi Delta1067!

It's often not realized, by the asker of a question, what an enormous can of worms is involved with even beginning to properly understand the answer.

I could simply say

mdocod said:
"no, those cells you linked to will not work in your charger, and they could explode if you try to charge them in your charger!"

but that would result in a:

Delta1067 said:



In my experience, such an answer does not relieve me of further explanation so I'll continue...


I'll do a quick summery of some issues you are facing here:

3.0V rechargeable RCR123 come in 2 general "flavors."

1. In one case, it's a 3.7V (or "3.6V," same thing) lithium cobalt cell with a diode installed to buck the effective output voltage by about 0.7V, which gets them a little closer to the 3V operating range, which is usually close enough to make them compatible with a number of devices out there that normally use CR123 cells. Some of these cells are protected, some are not, they use a variety of diodes or voltage regulating devices that have different behaviors that may require different charging techniques to be safe. Most of these cells require a charging voltage terminate around 4.4-4.5V to be charged properly. The LiCo cell hiding "behind" the diode is actually being terminated at 4.20V give or take, but there is probably enough variation form brand to brand in the way that these are made, that no one charger should be assumed to be compatible with the rest of them.

2. In the other case, it's a lithium iron phosphate chemistry cell, which is naturally about a ~3.2V cell. They require a charge termination ~3.6-3.8V depending on the charge method used.

Based on a quick search here... there are reports that suggest that ultralast has released 3V rechargeable RCR123s in BOTH varieties and the only way you would know what you have would be to do some various inspection/testing...


Bottom line is this.... if your ultralast cells are the voltage-bucked LiCo type, then your charger would cause any normal 3.7V cell to reach very unsafe charge levels on a regular basis, which could lead to an explosion. Using LiFePO4 cells in that type of charger might not cause a major explosion, but could cause the cells to "pop" open, and if that didn't happen, they would certainly not last long with so much overcharge.. If your cells are the LiFePO4 type, then your charger would be useless in topping off 3.7V cells (it wouldn't only reach about 40% charge or less),.... but if your ultralasts are LiFePO4 cells, then you could just get more cells just like it, as the charging algorithm isn't as critically important in this case (they are tolerant to abuse but have low capacity). There are a number of LiFePO4 chemistry cells on the market that are cheaper than the ultralast's and would probably perform better.

Either way, it's best that you match your cells to a charger that is specified for use with those cells, or at least tested compatible by a reputable source.

Then there is the issue of compatibility. The cells you are currently using, are designed to semi-simulate the behavior of CR123 primary cells, but 3.7V cells are much different and not all devices are compatible with them. It would be ideal to look at your situation as a whole, and come to a solution that involves the proper charger with the proper cells for a particular device, and in some cases, I seriously suggest just selling the device in favor of one that can support 3.7V cells, especially 18650 size cells.

Eric
 
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Your answer is almost certainly - NO. The ultralast charger you referenced seems to be for 3 volt cells only. Those ultrafires you linked are 3.6 volt. As mentioned above you need to watch the voltage. So unless you can find a switch on your charger that allows you to select 3V / 3.6V (or 3.7V) it is a no-go.
 
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Thanks for the replies. I have been reading for a few hours about batteries and have either confused myself further or learned a lot--Not sure which one.:sick2:

I looked at my charger again and this is what the back of it says:

Li-ion CR123 Charger
Input: 12Vd.c 250mA
Output: 3.6Vd.c 360mA

LED Incator Status
Red LED: Battery are charging
Green LED: Battery are fully charged/power is on.

Caution: The CR123 charger is intended for use with only CR123 rechargeabl Li-ion batteries. Attempt to charge other battery chemistries may cause personal injury or damage to charger. Do not expose CR123 to fire or water.
 
I've seen that charger in Fry's.

The charging voltage of 3.6 V would seem to suggest it is for lithium iron phosphate cells (and that the charger came with LiFePO4 cells).

When I saw the charger in Fry's I recall the packaging implied they could be used as a direct replacement for primary CR123A cells. That adds further weight to the LiFePO4 hypothesis.

If so, that means you would want to buy LiFePO4 cells to use with it.
 
They should work, let us know how well they perform for you :) Sometimes there's a gem in the rough over there at DX!

Eric
 
I have ended up trying these LifePO4 batteries from dealextreme 2 for $4.50: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1880

I charged them up using the same charger for my Ultralast batteries and I go back on the night shift on Monday and will see how they do in a G2 LED with a Solarforce R2 drop in.

I've been using those batteries in a TK10 since may of last year, and have been very happy. It might not last as long as some other batteries, but the cheap price and less worry about battery damage is fine by me.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2487525

I use this charger set to 3v: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1236
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2487525
 
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