Recommendation for minimum $200 flashlight including batteries

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Hello everyone,

I am looking for a good quality, well built flashlight like a maglight but more powerful, my budget is $200 including the price of batteries, I am looking for something with an output of 400+ lumens. It will be used for scouts and general use.

Thank you in advance
 
Hello everyone,

I am looking for a good quality, well built flashlight like a maglight but more powerful, my budget is $200 including the price of batteries, I am looking for something with an output of 400+ lumens. It will be used for scouts and general use.

Thank you in advance

400 lumens is not that strong, I have key chain lights that put out more than that, by a lot.

:D

MOST people WANT a light that throws the beam as far as possible, but NEED a light that floods an area instead of just a small spot off in the distance. IE: For general use, say camping, etc, you are performing tasks such as finding a latrine, pitching a tent, packing/unpacking, etc....and not trying to see things a mile away.

There ARE lights that CAN see things a mile away, albeit not for $200.


Things to consider would be the power source, as rechargeable lithium ion cells have the highest energy density, and, for any given light, it can be smaller, brighter, and run longer with them, as compared to conventional or Nimh cells, etc.

A maglight is ginormous, but the best mags put out only ~ 131 lumens. I have 2" long lights that put ~ 5 TIMES that amount of light, and 4" lights that put out more than 30 times that much light....and so forth.


After the amount of light (Lumens), you would consider the lux, or candela (cd)....which is how FAR the beam projects. When a flashlight only makes 131 lumens, it MUST concentrate all of them into a teeny spot to make that spot bright enough (A la mags, etc...). The advantage to a tight beam is that it CAN project farther...but, the spot is small, and, if you need to set up a tent in the middle of the night, being able to see only as though your view was through a paper towel tube, is really inefficient. :D


Its a LOT easier to see what you are doing if the entire area is lit up as if it were daylight, and you don't NEED to have someone hold a light on your hands to tie a knot, etc. (No aiming needed, etc...)

As the more area a beam covers, the more of the lumens it makes are needed....so, to get a large area lit up dimly, you need a LOT more lumens than you'd need to light up a small spot brightly. A 100 watt light bulb might produce ~ 1,700 lumens, and light a normal room enough to perform most tasks...but that 131 lumen maglight will make one little SPOT in that room brighter than the bulb can, etc.


So, if you have a clue as to how much range in meters away you might want to be able too see what at (Seeing a reflective sign or someone wearing a white shirt requires a LOT less light than seeing a bear in brush, etc....), and some examples of tasks expected to be illuminated, suggestions can be more appropriate.

Good luck!
 
Fenix PD35, NiteCore P12, TerraLux TT4, or Convoy S2 (5.5"x1") type light, a couple/few protected 18650 3400mAh cells and an Xtar VP2 charger.

You could probably get both the Fenix and the NiteCore lights together, along with the cells and charger, for $200, if you shop around.

Chris
 
Yes more detail would help,i can say convoy m2 which is $20 and around 700lm and uses a a single 18650 cell,available with lots of tint options from cool white to warm.
Or as suggested a tk75 which is 2900lm and under budget and uses 4x18650 cells.
Go small and d40a which almost 1000lm and runs on 4x AA cells,this with 4x eneloop cells and charger would not be much over $100

So more details then can get a more custom flashlight to you needs:twothumbs
 
==================Flashlight Recommendation Checklist================

1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?

X I would like to purchase the light in person from a brick and mortar store. I am located in Eastwood, 2122, NSW, Australia.
X This will be mail-order or Online (location doesn't matter).


2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :)

____I don't know yet
____Up to $25.
____Up to $50.
____Up to $100.
X Up to $200.
____Up to $300.
____Essentially unlimited.


3) Format:

____I am not sure, please help me decide.
X I want a flashlight (hand held/self contained).
____I want a self-contained headlamp.
____I want a headlamp with an external pack/power source.
____I want a mounted light (typically for a bicycle or vehicle)
____I want a lantern/area light.
____I want a portable spotlight (it may have an external power source).
____Other ____________________________________________


4) Size:

____MICRO - Keychain size.
____TINY - Every day carry (2-4 inches).
X SMALL - Every day carry (4-7 inches).
____MEDIUM - Holster/belt ring carry. (>7 inches)
____LARGE - Big enough to need its own travel case.
____I don't know/I don't care.


5) Emitter/Light source:

X LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
____Incandescent (known for superior color rendition)
____HID (known for max output, but often at the expense of size)
____I don't know.


6) Manufacturer:

X I want to buy a light from a large/traditional manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
____I would like a light from a specialty manufacturer (Possibly limited run/Custom).
____I am interested in assembling my own components. (for example a "host" or flashlight body from one manufacturer, and a "drop-in" emitter from another source).


7) What power source do you want to use?

____I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Alkaline batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
____I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Lithium batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D and CR123 sized cells common to most stores (often a cold weather or long storage choice).
____I intend to use Rechargeable cells (NiMH or NiCD) based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
X I intend to use Rechargeable cells based on less common formats (18500 or 18650 Li-Ion, RCR123, et-al).
____I want a light with an integrated rechargeable battery pack.
____I don't know/I need more information on power sources.

7a) If you have selected a rechargeable option
____I want a light that plugs directly into the wall (literally with prongs built into the light)
____I want a light that has a recharging adapter (your typical "wall wart")
____I want a light that snaps into a cradle (usually mounted on a wall)
____I want a separate/stand-alone charger (this involves removing the batteries to charge)
X I don't care


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is not a happy experience).

____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (1-10 lumens).
____I want an indoor "blackout" light (15-50 lumens)
____I want to confidently walk around an unlit/unpaved rural area (60-150 lumens).
____I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
X I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
____I want search and rescue type illumination (800+ lumens).

____SPECIAL NOTE: Burst/Turbo mode Category - There are several lights that will run at a super bright maximum for a very limited period (usually 5-10 minutes) and then will "step-down" to a lower level for thermal control. Check here if this is acceptable.


9) Flood vs Throw: Flood covers an area, Throw reaches out to a distance.

____All Flood: I am doing "arms length" tasks like reading and campsite cooking.
____Wide Flood: I want a defined flood area for semi-close tasks like after-dark campsite tasks or working on a car.
X Narrow Flood: I want a sharply defined flood area that will project some distance for tasks like trail walking.
____Wide Throw: I want a beam with a noticeable hot-center for distance throw and a significant amount of "side-spill". Good for rough trail hiking, search and rescue, and general distance work.
____Narrow Throw: I want a beam with a very tight "hot center" and minimal "side-spill". Good for distance viewing, fog, and looking through dense undergrowth.
____Turbohead: I want a far-distance projector with a sharply focused spot of light and minimal or zero side-spill. Good for extreme distance and impressing your friends.

9a) Distance: How far away will you typically need to see with this light (check all that apply)
____Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
____Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
____5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
____30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
X 50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
____150+ yards (I am searching from a helicopter)

10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum continuous output).

____Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
____30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
____90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
X 3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).




11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A "night-stand" light).
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
X Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
____Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
____I don't know.


12) Switch Size, Type, and location (choose all that apply):

X Any size switch will do.
____I need a BIG switch (I'll be using gloves or have very large hands or coordination issues).
____I want a forward clicky (Helpful for momentary activation and signaling).
____I want a reverse clicky (For use with multi-mode/level lights).
____I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
____I want a twisty switch (Tighten the head/tailcap to activate, and the light will stay on until the head/tailcap is loosened).
____I want a body mounted switch (near the head, like on a Maglite).
____I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today's high end lights).
____I want a remote switch (usually found on high-end bicycle headlights)
____I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________________.


13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

____A simple on-off with only one output level is fine for me.
X I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a programmable light.
____I want a selector ring.
____I want a strobe mode. (Oscillating pattern to confuse/blind aka "Police Mode")
____I want SOS mode. (blinks in ---...--- emergency pattern)
____I want a beacon mode. (Regular flashes at full power to show location.)
____I don't care.
____I don't know.


14)Material/Finish/Coating

____Plastic/composite body (this may limit your choices significantly).
X Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today's higher end flashlights).
X Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)
X Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
____I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________.

15) Water resistance
____None needed
X IPX4 (Splash resistant)
____IPX7 (Waterproof to 1 meter/30min)
____IPX8 (Submersible to greater than 1 meter for 4 hours)

16) Storage conditions
____In house (temperature/climate controlled environment)
____Emergency kit (long standby periods)
____Automobile glove-box (wide temperature swings, long standby periods, critical reliability)
X Other Out side and inside, very cold and very warm


17) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any/all below.

____Red filter (for preserving night vision).
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
____"Hybrid" light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Pocket/belt clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Crenulated bezel
____Non-sparking, Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
 
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You mention that the price needs to include batteries. Does it also need to include a charger, which can easily cost $50?
 
You mention that the price needs to include batteries. Does it also need to include a charger, which can easily cost $50?

Yes it would include the price of charger, I already have a cheap Ebay charger which charges 2 18650 batteries which are fake Ultrafire batteries.

I might have to raise my budget or use non-recharageable batteries
 
When I go camping, my Malkoff Hound Dog, on an MD3 body always comes along. The 70-100 lumen low works great for around the campsite duties and high is used when it's necessary to see something at distance.

It'll run off three primary CR123s or two Li-Ion 18500s, which is very handy when camping.

They are supremely durable, completely whaterproof, and definitely Scout-proof. :)
 
When I go camping, my Malkoff Hound Dog, on an MD3 body always comes along. The 70-100 lumen low works great for around the campsite duties and high is used when it's necessary to see something at distance.

It'll run off three primary CR123s or two Li-Ion 18500s, which is very handy when camping.

They are supremely durable, completely whaterproof, and definitely Scout-proof. :)

This torch actually looks surprisingly good, but I have a couple of questions.

Do I choose the MD3 body when I purchase it or do I buy the MD3 body separately and use a drop in because I it says it can be used for with MD3, MD4, etc body.

Also what kind of run time can I get out of this torch.

Should I use CR123 or 18500 batteries and which brand should I buy which has the longest runtime.

Last of all will this charger: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/400494018215?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
work with these batteries.
 
This looks like quite a good flashlight but I have a few questions.

What would be the best battery to use the CR123 or 18500 and which brand to use which has the longest run time

Also will this charger: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/400494018215?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 work with either of these batteries.

Will this torch be able to withstand forces that a maglite can for example my 3D Cell maglite can be used as a hammer for iron tent pegs

I would really consider this torch.
 
Friends don't let friends buy XXX-Fire anything.

CR123As are ~16mm wide. A 18500 cell is ~18+mm wide. The latter might not fit.

Chris
 
18XXX cells fit in the Malkoff MDX bodies. I know for sure that AW 18650 3400 mAh Protected cells fit. The MD4 is a little bigger than the MD3, but will provide longer runtime with 2x18650 compared to 2x18500. I run my HD on a MD3 with 3xCR123. At some point I'll switch to rechargeable cells.
 
Friends don't let friends buy XXX-Fire anything.

CR123As are ~16mm wide. A 18500 cell is ~18+mm wide. The latter might not fit.

Chris

+1

Buy good branded cells,lots of info on here,just avoid *****fire cells and cheap chargers.
Look at i4 or xtar chargers just a couple for example,very good value and wont risk overcharging like the cheap cheap ones!

A good flashlight is only as good as the fuel its fed,decent cells will give you years of reliable,safe and good performance.....
 
Yeah, itsnot REALLY cheaper to use disposable batteries, as you need to keep buying more over and over again for the rest of your life, etc. And, for a high performance light, the disposable batteries don't hold enough power, so, to keep the light bright, you need a lot more of them, so you spend a small fortune buying new batteries.

The rechargeables certainly cost more upfront, but, typically, its a one time expense, and, the same equipment can be used to power OTHER lights (And devices), so the NEXT light already HAS a charger for it, etc.

:D
 
I mentioned the MD3 body primarily due to its shorter length. If runtime is more important than size, then the MD4 body, with two 3400 mAh 18650s will provide for more than double the runtime as two 18500s. The high voltage capability of the Hound Dog head allows it to be used with up to four CR123 batteries, but Li-Ion cells provide significantly longer runtime.

The "Hound Dog" is actually the complete head assembly. This head can be screwed onto any Malkoff MD-series body. When small size is most important, it can be used with an MD2 body fed by two IMR 18350 cells. The MD3 body provides longer runtime with two 18500s. The MD4 body is great when the longest runtime available is needed. Since the MD3 has the same tailcap thread design as the Surefire 6P, it is possible to turn an MD3 into an MD4 with the addition of a bored Surefire A19 extender. These have been available from Oveready in the past, but they don't seem to be on the site right now.

CPF user 880arm posted a comprehensive review of the Hound Dog on his Flashlight Guide website, which includes runtime graphs with different batteries and a very cool beamshot comparison tool.

While Maglites are durable, it would be more appropriate to compare the Malkoff to higher end Surefires and Elzettas.
 
I will defiantly be getting the Malkoff Hound Dog with the MD4 body. For purchasing it I have linked websites to the product and accessories are they the right to use.

Torch Head: http://www.malkoffdevices.com/malko...stock-flashlights/malkoff-cool-hound-dog-xm-l
Torch MD4 Body: http://www.malkoffdevices.com/malko...-devices-flashlight-parts/md4-body-and-switch
Battery: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2x-Panas...Ion-NCR18650B-battery-ncrb-3400-/281004553562 Are these batteries good in general I could find a better website?

That leaves $5.35 for the charger not much I know I can probably go over about $10 or so.

Can any recommend a charger for me?
 
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