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Armed_Forces
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Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire
I think you're right, but Surefire leaving out that "huge spread" about the Made in USA angle of their company really seemed suspicious and hasn't help things one bit seeing this.
I think you're right, but Surefire leaving out that "huge spread" about the Made in USA angle of their company really seemed suspicious and hasn't help things one bit seeing this.
carrot
Flashaholic
Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire
Sounds great! Stupidly big logo but who cares. I am definitely going to have to get one...
Sounds great! Stupidly big logo but who cares. I am definitely going to have to get one...
Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire
The fact that SF is spinning off a new brand, logo, design, battery style, et al, is probably a strong indication that the real SureFire brand will remain unchanged, and uninfluenced by Icon.
I'm not going to jump down their throats because they want to play with a new brand. If I don't like what they do with Icon, I won't buy.
The fact that SF is spinning off a new brand, logo, design, battery style, et al, is probably a strong indication that the real SureFire brand will remain unchanged, and uninfluenced by Icon.
I'm not going to jump down their throats because they want to play with a new brand. If I don't like what they do with Icon, I won't buy.
Armed_Forces
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Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire
I know it's hard for a pro-USA, die hard Surefire supporter to accept, but look at the costs of their lights. They basically cater to the high end of the market. Since they've got that market cornered a company as big as Surefire has to think about growth and responsibility to their shareholders. It only makes perfect sense for them to expand their product line to compete with the "lesser" makes. Think globally people, it's a big friggin' planet!
I know it's hard for a pro-USA, die hard Surefire supporter to accept, but look at the costs of their lights. They basically cater to the high end of the market. Since they've got that market cornered a company as big as Surefire has to think about growth and responsibility to their shareholders. It only makes perfect sense for them to expand their product line to compete with the "lesser" makes. Think globally people, it's a big friggin' planet!
Splunk_Au
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Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire
Err... how about no? They look like toys and probably wont be able to hold up against Fenix for the price/performance ratio.
Btw how come that surefirekorea site is selling Wolf Eyes stuff as well?
Err... how about no? They look like toys and probably wont be able to hold up against Fenix for the price/performance ratio.
Btw how come that surefirekorea site is selling Wolf Eyes stuff as well?
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carrot
Flashaholic
Re: Surefire (?) Icon Flashlight
I've been reading... and the review of it is pretty funny... clearly something has been lost in the transition.
I've been reading... and the review of it is pretty funny... clearly something has been lost in the transition.
Big_Ed
Flashlight Enthusiast
Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire
I prefer to support American workers in American factories, whenever I can. I know it's not *always* possible. Every American who works in a factory should be hoping their fellow Americans have this attitude. And maybe not so many of our manufacturing jobs would be outsourced if more Americans bought more American made products. If more people would do that I believe our country would be more self sufficient and better off. It's just a slightly wider version of the idea of "shop locally". You know, support your neighbors.
In any case, I have stated my opinion, and I'm not going to argue about it. I'll buy what I want to buy, and you buy what you want to buy.
I prefer to support American workers in American factories, whenever I can. I know it's not *always* possible. Every American who works in a factory should be hoping their fellow Americans have this attitude. And maybe not so many of our manufacturing jobs would be outsourced if more Americans bought more American made products. If more people would do that I believe our country would be more self sufficient and better off. It's just a slightly wider version of the idea of "shop locally". You know, support your neighbors.
In any case, I have stated my opinion, and I'm not going to argue about it. I'll buy what I want to buy, and you buy what you want to buy.
cernobila
Flashlight Enthusiast
Re: Surefire (?) Icon Flashlight
Had a quick look at my old Fenix L2D and measured its length....146mm and the widest part is 21.5mm.......looks like the Icon 2 must be quite a large light in comparison. Even the price looks fair bit bigger than the Fenix......only time will tell if this will catch on.
Had a quick look at my old Fenix L2D and measured its length....146mm and the widest part is 21.5mm.......looks like the Icon 2 must be quite a large light in comparison. Even the price looks fair bit bigger than the Fenix......only time will tell if this will catch on.
carrot
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Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire
Surefire doesn't have shareholders. They are privately owned.
As for the ICON... where's my pocket clip?
Otherwise these seem pretty sweet and if eBay prices reflect MSRP, they are right in line with Fenix and offer Surefire's unique take. The Rogue 1 and Rogue 2 seem pretty thick, like the 6P. I would say the R1 and R2 are like the 6P and 9P of the ICON lineup, which means I'll get really excited when the ICON brand finds its own A2 and E2L.
It is pretty clear to me that Surefire did not jump into this lightly. They could have just taken an L2T and tweaked it and plenty of people would have jumped on board. Instead they chose to take the high road and design some pretty sweet stuff. They went back to their roots and saw that the 6P was a great size for comfortable usage but also noted that it was heavier and unnecessarily strong for most consumer usage, so they drilled out most of the excess metal while retaining the better size. Surefire could have also used a removable tailcap but instead decided to do it the McGizmo way, making the switch and whole body a single piece which lowers manufacturing costs and makes a flashlight one more step in the foolproof direction.
I don't like the goofy HUGE Icon (haha, get it) they use for their branding, and their website looks pretty cheesy right now. (The awful website makes me think it's a Surefire spinoff, with its own team...) But I'm sure as time carries on we will see great things out of ICON. Something to keep an eye on for certain.
Surefire doesn't have shareholders. They are privately owned.
As for the ICON... where's my pocket clip?
Otherwise these seem pretty sweet and if eBay prices reflect MSRP, they are right in line with Fenix and offer Surefire's unique take. The Rogue 1 and Rogue 2 seem pretty thick, like the 6P. I would say the R1 and R2 are like the 6P and 9P of the ICON lineup, which means I'll get really excited when the ICON brand finds its own A2 and E2L.
It is pretty clear to me that Surefire did not jump into this lightly. They could have just taken an L2T and tweaked it and plenty of people would have jumped on board. Instead they chose to take the high road and design some pretty sweet stuff. They went back to their roots and saw that the 6P was a great size for comfortable usage but also noted that it was heavier and unnecessarily strong for most consumer usage, so they drilled out most of the excess metal while retaining the better size. Surefire could have also used a removable tailcap but instead decided to do it the McGizmo way, making the switch and whole body a single piece which lowers manufacturing costs and makes a flashlight one more step in the foolproof direction.
I don't like the goofy HUGE Icon (haha, get it) they use for their branding, and their website looks pretty cheesy right now. (The awful website makes me think it's a Surefire spinoff, with its own team...) But I'm sure as time carries on we will see great things out of ICON. Something to keep an eye on for certain.
270winchester
Flashlight Enthusiast
Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire
Pass.
I'll stick to domestic made light as long as they are available.
If International people want to buy it great, but I like to keep my money here.
Pass.
I'll stick to domestic made light as long as they are available.
If International people want to buy it great, but I like to keep my money here.
Big_Ed
Flashlight Enthusiast
Bruce B
Enlightened
Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire
So are you saying you wouldn't by the Surefire brand lights supposedly made in California if they say were to import some of the LED light emitters used in their awesome illumination tools?
(Not trying to start a war here, just asking a simple question)
So are you saying you wouldn't by the Surefire brand lights supposedly made in California if they say were to import some of the LED light emitters used in their awesome illumination tools?
(Not trying to start a war here, just asking a simple question)
270winchester
Flashlight Enthusiast
Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire
right, not trying to start a war.
Nice attempt at trolling, I'm not biting.
I hope your job gets outsourced soon.:wave:
right, not trying to start a war.
Nice attempt at trolling, I'm not biting.
I hope your job gets outsourced soon.:wave:
Bruce B
Enlightened
Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire
First off,
I don't troll after all I started this thread...
and it was just a simple question...
and I work private security, I doubt I'm going anywhere anytime soon...
First off,
I don't troll after all I started this thread...
and it was just a simple question...
and I work private security, I doubt I'm going anywhere anytime soon...
Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire
It's a given that some components (Seoul LEDs) can not be made in the US. However, if the rest of the light - manufacturing, assembly - is US based, they SureFire is doing a much better job about paying domestic workers than any foreign corporation.
It's simple: I attempt to keep as much of my money spent on corporations that are American (or primarily American!) based.
It's a given that some components (Seoul LEDs) can not be made in the US. However, if the rest of the light - manufacturing, assembly - is US based, they SureFire is doing a much better job about paying domestic workers than any foreign corporation.
It's simple: I attempt to keep as much of my money spent on corporations that are American (or primarily American!) based.
270winchester
Flashlight Enthusiast
Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire
I'm sure some guest work visas can get us some hard working individuals from all over the world. Welcome to a global economy!!!
I'm sure some guest work visas can get us some hard working individuals from all over the world. Welcome to a global economy!!!
Big_Ed
Flashlight Enthusiast
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