Rogue Flashlights by ICON

[Bruce B]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

It's a given that some components (Seoul LEDs) can not be made in the US. However, if the rest of the light - manufacturing, assembly - is US based, they SureFire is doing a much better job about paying domestic workers than any foreign corporation.

It's simple: I attempt to keep as much of my money spent on corporations that are American (or primarily American!) based.

I know that the LED assemblies are made over seas, and yes I will still continue to buy Surefire being as the major componets of their lights are made in the U.S.A.

Anyways back to the original post, as we seem to be digressing from the OT here.

 

[270winchester]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

Well, mostly made in USA is better than not at all.

yep.

 

[Sgt. LED]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

Getting back to the light..................
Hey any clue what the emitter is?

 

[jzmtl]

Re: Surefire (?) Icon Flashlight

Look really fat for a AA light, also what's with the machined fins on the side, looks really easy to crush or bend.

He's very likely Chinese. 😗

..just sayin'.

Remember Sarge, this is in Chinglish!

They are all from a Korean website posted by Korean users in case you haven't noticed.

And KDOG3 we get it, you don't like China, you can just stop reading this thread you know?

 

[jzmtl]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

Getting back to the light..................
Hey any clue what the emitter is?

 

[Sgt. LED]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

Thank you!

 

[AMD64Blondie]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

This sounds interesting... A Surefire-designed light that doesn't use CR123As?(Quite strange,but I like it...)

Any links where you could pre-order one?

 

[Bruce B]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

The reflector looks nice, I wonder if the beam is all flood, all throw, or a combination of both...

 

[jzmtl]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

Geez guys, click on the links and look at all the pics! All your questions are answered there.

http://72.14.205.102/translate_c?hl...hs=cY6&usg=ALkJrhhOw9VdHsxDg3xTpGT8kkxrvWhFqg

http://72.14.205.102/translate_c?hl...hs=cY6&usg=ALkJrhiGQWXo-ebU2AUyVrqHOdXZeqdaxg

 

[Armed_Forces]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

I prefer to support American workers in American factories, whenever I can. I know it's not *always* possible. Every American who works in a factory should be hoping their fellow Americans have this attitude. And maybe not so many of our manufacturing jobs would be outsourced if more Americans bought more American made products. If more people would do that I believe our country would be more self sufficient and better off. It's just a slightly wider version of the idea of "shop locally". You know, support your neighbors.

In any case, I have stated my opinion, and I'm not going to argue about it. I'll buy what I want to buy, and you buy what you want to buy.

Ed, I think you've got me all wrong.
I buy USA whenever I can and I've dedicated a huge part of my lifetime to serving this country. This topic hits very close to home because a big part of my livelihood is tied to manufacturing and what I think is being left out of the equation is how badly our manufacturing base has already been eroded. I'm not sure it will ever be able to recover because it didn't happen overnight. Getting things made in the USA is getting more difficult everyday because of the competition everywhere. To put things straight to the topic of flashlights, Henry could have easily outsourced the manufacture of his Clicky and brought a superior product to market at a lower price. The only thing I'm unsure about is what kind of volume he produces because doing small runs of products is still probably a wash, but as soon as you get up into MOQs things get cheap fast. I realized this right away when I saw the quality control problems being posted. People think only junk is made in China but you're sorely mistaken if you think that. I was impressed when I got my Nitecore, and for the record that was my first Chinese light (that I know of!) They can cater to the most exotic materials and make them to whatever specification you require. Getting quality machine work done in this country is outrageous by comparison. You have to pay for our high standard of living and all the bloody taxes(!) for everything you produce and sell. Skilled trade is also getting very hard to find and that just compounds the problem. I think having a USA made Clicky is awesome but only time will tell how viable products like that will remain. I would love to be wrong about all this.

 

[Sgt. LED]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

Well poop you're right! This makes perfect sense and answered all my questions:
"[FONT=돋움]Conversely, if you do not compact, mobile on Tuesday, can not save him, even if the benefits can be obtained to identify and manipulate the castle.[/FONT]
[FONT=돋움]So if anyone fell slightly mobile castle can easily find and manipulate it and it Up, and the right to deliberately raised the size of the log is ergonomic design."[/FONT]

INDEED
I can follow insanity castle walls with the log of creating 3 legged dogs with sex approach to the ergonomic spider grounding of the flashlight for 3 hours of 50 lumens breathing Icon fire to the masses of omelet kings ransom of warranty for your eldest child inside the castle of spider legs home like the ground.

Geez guys, click on the links and look at all the pics! All your questions are answered there.

http://72.14.205.102/translate_c?hl...hs=cY6&usg=ALkJrhhOw9VdHsxDg3xTpGT8kkxrvWhFqg

http://72.14.205.102/translate_c?hl...hs=cY6&usg=ALkJrhiGQWXo-ebU2AUyVrqHOdXZeqdaxg

 

[roadie]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

bump ....

 

[Big_Ed]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

Ed, I think you've got me all wrong.
I buy USA whenever I can and I've dedicated a huge part of my lifetime to serving this country. This topic hits very close to home because a big part of my livelihood is tied to manufacturing and what I think is being left out of the equation is how badly our manufacturing base has already been eroded. I'm not sure it will ever be able to recover because it didn't happen overnight. Getting things made in the USA is getting more difficult everyday because of the competition everywhere. To put things straight to the topic of flashlights, Henry could have easily outsourced the manufacture of his Clicky and brought a superior product to market at a lower price. The only thing I'm unsure about is what kind of volume he produces because doing small runs of products is still probably a wash, but as soon as you get up into MOQs things get cheap fast. I realized this right away when I saw the quality control problems being posted. People think only junk is made in China but you're sorely mistaken if you think that. I was impressed when I got my Nitecore, and for the record that was my first Chinese light (that I know of!) They can cater to the most exotic materials and make them to whatever specification you require. Getting quality machine work done in this country is outrageous by comparison. You have to pay for our high standard of living and all the bloody taxes(!) for everything you produce and sell. Skilled trade is also getting very hard to find and that just compounds the problem. I think having a USA made Clicky is awesome but only time will tell how viable products like that will remain. I would love to be wrong about all this.

Armed Forces, first off, thanks for your service to our country. It's just that so many Americans buy foreign made products and then wonder why all the jobs here are drying up. I am doing every thing I can to help prevent jobs from being outsourced to other countries by BUYING AMERICAN MADE!!! I vote with my dollars. I am willing to sacrifice more of my money to help ensure another American made product is sold. When I buy something, I try to not only think of myself, as in how much will this item cost me? but I also think how much will this product cost our country? For every foreign made product bought, that's usually one less American product bought. The more dollars I keep here in the good old USA, the more money Americans get to keep. It's a slippery slope.If Americans bought more American products, maybe American companies wouldn't need to outsource as much. I just simply don't see how our country gets stronger or recovers by sending more money overseas. We end up with a flashlight, and they end up with our money. I'm no economic expert, though, I'll admit.

Again thank you for serving our country. It's sacrifices like the ones you make that make our freedom of choice possible. I encourage everyone to exercise those freedoms. I just find it sad that more people don't display their patriotism by not only waving flags, but by supporting their fellow workers as much as our troops. I have faith in American workers and craftsmanship, and will demonstrate it by buying US made goods.

Yeah, it's a touchy subject with me. OK, rant over.

 

[MSI]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

I think it was essential for SureFire to do this to get a larger part of the consumer market. There are couple of reasons for this:
- They can not make AA powered lights under the SureFire brandname.
- The lights need to be competitive in price. But if they sold them as SureFires, then that would reduce the perceived value on the rest of their lineup.
- Be able to outsource production to keep costs down and be competitive.
- Reduce support costs by only having a 1 year warranty on these. The CS will probably be less on these. I doubt you will get your light replaced because you didn't like the tint.

 

[Armed_Forces]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

Surefire doesn't have shareholders. They are privately owned.

As for the ICON... where's my pocket clip?
...<snip>

Thanks Carrot, I didn't know that. :thumbsup:


No clipy, no dealy, so I guess I'm done.
That was fun though. .. very odd, hmm..."flashaholic" is really starting to sink in.

 

[Size15's]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

I've been asleep, and this news finally hits CPF. It's been online for ages guys - you've been asleep!

Anyway - the new brand - ICON - is designed and created by PK, not by SureFire.

SureFire = USA
ICON = PK

Two separate entities with two distinct missions.

I'd say its "Rogue Flashlights by ICON" rather than 'ICON Flashlights by SureFire'

But now at last the news has finally reached CPF of ICON and the Rogues.
Some people have been calling for me to post and if you want my opinion, I urge you to wait for there to be a US-dealer before jumping to too many conclusions.

Another point we may want to consider:

SureFire = tactical and outdoor market
ICON = consumer market

We Flashaholics are our own special niche and neither brand is aim at us, although we may find our paths cross here and there with each brand from time to time.

Al 😀

 

[Bruce B]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

... I'd say its "Rogue Flashlights by ICON"
Al 😀

Title changed... Thanks Al!

 

[adnj]

I wonder if the Rogue 1 will take a 14500 cell.

 

[kaichu dento]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

Well poop you're right! This makes perfect sense and answered all my questions:
"[FONT=돋움]Conversely, if you do not compact, mobile on Tuesday, can not save him, even if the benefits can be obtained to identify and manipulate the castle.[/FONT]
[FONT=돋움]So if anyone fell slightly mobile castle can easily find and manipulate it and it Up, and the right to deliberately raised the size of the log is ergonomic design."[/FONT]

INDEED
I can follow insanity castle walls with the log of creating 3 legged dogs with sex approach to the ergonomic spider grounding of the flashlight for 3 hours of 50 lumens breathing Icon fire to the masses of omelet kings ransom of warranty for your eldest child inside the castle of spider legs home like the ground.

Is this information up to date? If so then all my questions are covered as well! 😀

 

[supes]

Re: Icon Flashlight by Surefire

Al,

You put my soul at ease now over this restless night. Thanks for the clear explanation. 😀

Here's to more unique PK designs!