S.F. finish Q: were all E2D's hard ano, or are both types out there as with the E2E?

leon2245

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I know there were both shiny & matte black ano'd versions of the E2E's- same for the black E2D's? Or if you get any factory E2D you can be sure it will be in the flat black (not shiny like 6p's and the like)?

Just curious. Thinking about picking up one before all the discontinued s.f.'s are gone, & if I'm guaranteed the harder matte finish in one over the other, that will be among my considerations.
 

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E2E is available in HA natural, HA black, and type II Satin grey
E2D is only available in HA black

I have never heard of a type II E2D
 

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Every black Ex I've ever seen have been HA.
You've not seen the E1-BK or E2-BK then:
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You can tell the E1-BK body is Type II compared to the E2d bezel and TailCap (which are of course Type III)

BTW, I prefer the term "E-Series" rather than Ex. Unless you're specifically referring to the non-Elite E1 and E2?

Back to the OP questions:

Yes - all E2d / E2DL are Black Type III (HA).
(I think there is a proto-type E2d in natural HA floating around somewhere)

The E2e was made in three main finishes
Natural Type III (HA) (E2e-HA),
Type II Gunmetal/Satin Gray (E2e-GM/E2e-SG)
Black Type III (E2e-BK)

There is some evidence to suggest a small number of type II Black E2e's were sold.
And for a while the E1e-BK and E2e-BK were type III except for the Z54 TailCap (which was type II). Of course SureFire transitioned to the Z61 Clickie.

Al :)
 
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Yes - all E2d / E2DL are Black Type III (HA).
(I think there is a proto-type E2d in natural HA floating around somewhere)

The E2e was made in three main finishes
Natural Type III (HA) (E2e-HA),
Type II Gunmetal/Satin Gray (E2e-GM/E2e-SG)
Black Type III (E2e-BK)

There is some evidence to suggest a small number of type II Black E2e's were sold.
And for a while the E1e-BK and E2e-BK were type III except for the Z54 TailCap (which was type II). Of course SureFire transitioned to the Z61 Clickie.

Al :)


So any corresponding variation in the "E2e-BK" designation, or are all black E2e's labeled the same regardless of type ii/iii?

(I was hoping you'd weigh in on this one, thank you!)
 

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So any corresponding variation in the "E2e-BK" designation, or are all black E2e's labeled the same regardless of type ii/iii?

(I was hoping you'd weigh in on this one, thank you!)

Photos are the only way to be sure when it comes to E1e-BK and E2e-BK.
 

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Figured as much. I don't know that I could count on a dealer to tell the difference, so E2d's the safe bet. And not that I necessarily have a problem with type ii, just want a better chance of matching a type iii head.

Appreciate it!
 

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There is some evidence to suggest a small number of type II Black E2e's were sold.
And for a while the E1e-BK and E2e-BK were type III except for the Z54 TailCap (which was type II). Of course SureFire transitioned to the Z61 Clickie.


There were a few E2e's made in type II black, but they are pretty rare. I actually have a new Black E2e type III with three flats and twisty tailcap which I think is probably the rarest E2e type out there. It looks really sharp with the white laser inscribing, too bad they didn't produce any significant quantity of them. I saw one of the type III black E2e's and I think the same type of E1e for sale in the Marketplace awhile back with the glossy tailcaps. I noticed it in the picture, so I messaged the seller and he said that he had replaced the type III tailcaps with a gloss black ones.
 
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Perhaps a type II Black E2e will be worth more to collectors of rare SureFires?

Hey maybe if know any collectors, you could ask them for me!

Al, do you know whether the components on vtac's "L4" are cosmetically (& otherwise) identical to what one would get if they ordered the KX2C & Z68 direct from SureFire? I actually found your discussions of these on other sites, & apparently the head on their one cell version anyway was not identical to any of SureFire's standard offerings. Either way it's a nice value, considering the price isn't much more than that of a kx2c by itself. I could "fix" the body with an E2e or E2d for cheap enough, but can't de-vtac a head or tailcap.

I noticed solscud007 has one, but he hasn't replied to my pm yet. Figured in the meantime I should ask you if anyone.
 

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The VTAC-L4 (crappy model number imho) is a stock KX2C and Z68 on a two-SF123A e-series body with custom etching. The M600C ScoutLight features the KX2C & Z68.

The VTAC-MINI-L4 (even crappier model number) can be described as a single (110 lumen) model version of the E1B with Z68. It has the two-way pocketclip.

The M300A Mini ScoutLight features the KX1A.
The E1L features the KX1 and the E2LAA features the KX1B.

The difference between the VTAC-MINI-L4 bezel and the M300A bezel is the styling of the bezel's forward section only. Beam and output are the same.
 

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The VTAC-L4 (crappy model number imho) is a stock KX2C and Z68 on a two-SF123A e-series body with custom etching. The M600C ScoutLight features the KX2C & Z68.

The VTAC-MINI-L4 (even crappier model number) can be described as a single (110 lumen) model version of the E1B with Z68. It has the two-way pocketclip.

The M300A Mini ScoutLight features the KX1A.
The E1L features the KX1 and the E2LAA features the KX1B.

The difference between the VTAC-MINI-L4 bezel and the M300A bezel is the styling of the bezel's forward section only. Beam and output are the same.

So custom etching on the head as well as body? Was hoping the head & tail would be identical to what you'd get if ordered individually.

Thanks Al, I figured you'd have the answer to that one!
 

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Replying to an old thread, I know, but this seems like the best place (that I have found, anyway) to ask this:

Do we know that there were no E2D tailcaps in black Type-II ano?

I have an E2D tailcap that is considerably glossier than the body. The body definitely looks like Type-III, but I'm not sure about the tailcap. Is there any way to identify for sure the type ano?
 

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You've not seen the E1-BK or E2-BK then:

You can tell the E1-BK body is Type II compared to the E2d bezel and TailCap (which are of course Type III)

BTW, I prefer the term "E-Series" rather than Ex. Unless you're specifically referring to the non-Elite E1 and E2?

Back to the OP questions:

Yes - all E2d / E2DL are Black Type III (HA).
(I think there is a proto-type E2d in natural HA floating around somewhere)

The E2e was made in three main finishes
Natural Type III (HA) (E2e-HA),
Type II Gunmetal/Satin Gray (E2e-GM/E2e-SG)
Black Type III (E2e-BK)

There is some evidence to suggest a small number of type II Black E2e's were sold.
And for a while the E1e-BK and E2e-BK were type III except for the Z54 TailCap (which was type II). Of course SureFire transitioned to the Z61 Clickie.

Al :)

Ugh i always thought all BKs were just Type II
 

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"And for a while the E1e-BK and E2e-BK were type III except for the Z54 TailCap (which was type II)."

So, if the Z54 was TypeII, can we be sure that the E2D tailcap never was?

Back to my question: Is there any way to tell if a finish is Type II or Type III? Sure would make things easier than relying on what type finish a particular piece was supposed to have.
 

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SF finish Q: were all E2D's hard anodize

"And for a while the E1e-BK and E2e-BK were type III except for the Z54 TailCap (which was type II)."

So, if the Z54 was TypeII, can we be sure that the E2D tailcap never was?

Back to my question: Is there any way to tell if a finish is Type II or Type III? Sure would make things easier than relying on what type finish a particular piece was supposed to have.

I don't know if the following is 100% reliable, but ...

-- Generally if it looks "shiny" or reflective ( or is any bright color, not a neutral "earth tone" ) = Type II

-- Generally if it looks dull or "matte" = Type III ( = HA, hard anodized )

This helps distinguish between BK and BKHA, for example, as well as SG / GM and SL :)
 
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Re: SF finish Q: were all E2D's hard anodize

Thanks, archimedes, but that's my problem. The tailcap, which, according to everything I have read, almost has to be TypeIII, is much glossier than the body and bezel, like it is TypeII.

I wish there was some way to tell, without having to get CSI to run it through a mass-spectrometer! LOL ;-)
 

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Re: SF finish Q: were all E2D's hard anodize

Thanks, archimedes, but that's my problem. The tailcap, which, according to everything I have read, almost has to be TypeIII, is much glossier than the body and bezel, like it is TypeII.

I wish there was some way to tell, without having to get CSI to run it through a mass-spectrometer! LOL ;-)

" ... when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth " -- Sherlock Holmes :grin2:
 

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Re: SF finish Q: were all E2D's hard anodize

To complicate things a bit more I have some older black Scoutlight Z68 tailcaps that are quite shiny, but are definitely type III. They seem to have had some level of polishing to them. Either that or more care was just taken during the anodizing process with these to ensure the finish is more uniform.
 
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