Shootout D26 (1794) vs. MagMods

Bullzeyebill

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Activating this older thread. Does the axial 22 watt bulb throw a rounder beam than the 1499? Referring to Jay T's post. Also, is this a special order bulb from Carley?

Asking these question cause I recently received a very nice FM 2X18650 TL3, and notice that the batwing H1499 could throw more if it could be focused better into a rounder spot, and yes I have read the posts explaining that a long time ago it was designed for the minimag.

edit. Whoops, 22 watter is a 11 volt bulb. No go.

Bill
 
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Hi Luxluthor, great job with the post, Im shocked by the amount of time You put into this :)
I have a question which Im sure You will be able to answer;
For the past year, I've been using:
- FM 1794 bulb in a
- 2 x Lion 18650 FM body with the MOP reflector (Im lucky I bought 6 or 7 of the bulbs back in 2008 :)
Recently Ive decided its time for something even brighter (I have an empty 9p body lying around) so I ordered the following:

-WA1185 socket with installed WA1185 bulb + MOP reflector from FM
- 3x IMR 16300 from AW
- 4 spare WA1185 bulbs

My question is:
Did I do something stupid and the WA1185 will NOT be brighter then my current strongest light running 1794 ?
If yes I will be crushed since Ive ordered and payed for all the stuff already...please tell me I will see a difference ?
 

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I like the D26 size more:thumbsup:

I would run the WA1185 in a D26 bezel with 3 IMR 18650 cells for a true 1000 plus OTF:devil:


Great review and I everytime I see your reviews I am in shock as to how awesome you make those pictures and labels.

Thanks,
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Isn't the D26 reflector the same size as a 6P reflector?
Won't I get the same brightnes running a WA1185 with 3 x 16340 as with running it with 3x 18650 ?
Correct me if Im wrong as Im not an expert but the brightness should be the same ? The runtime will be shorter ofcourse. Unless the D26 has a larger reflector that is...


I like the D26 size more:thumbsup:

I would run the WA1185 in a D26 bezel with 3 IMR 18650 cells for a true 1000 plus OTF:devil:


Great review and I everytime I see your reviews I am in shock as to how awesome you make those pictures and labels.

Thanks,
bigC
 

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My question is:
Did I do something stupid and the WA1185 will NOT be brighter then my current strongest light running 1794 ?
If yes I will be crushed since Ive ordered and payed for all the stuff already...please tell me I will see a difference ?
No, you did nothing stupid - yes, the 1185 will be visibly brighter than the 1794. I have both, and I would say the 1185 seems twice as bright. I'm running the 1185 on 3x'C' li-ions, so the small IMR cells may sag a bit more than those. But this is probably a good thing, as any larger IMR cells would most likely instaflash the 1185. I have a couple of comparison shots of the 1794 and 1185 here (albeit in different hosts). BTW - you're looking at about 7 minutes of runtime with the 1185 and 3x IMR 16340s.

Isn't the D26 reflector the same size as a 6P reflector?
Won't I get the same brightnes running a WA1185 with 3 x 16340 as with running it with 3x 18650 ?
Correct me if Im wrong as Im not an expert but the brightness should be the same ? The runtime will be shorter ofcourse. Unless the D26 has a larger reflector that is...

Yes - the D26 reflector is the same size as a 6P reflector. I would say that 3 IMR cells should hold the voltage just about as well as 3x li-ion cells. If they sag a little more than the 18650s, it won't be by much.
 

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Koti, sorry didn't see your question until just now, and it looks like the others answered it. If you can get the voltage delivered in the optimal range, the 1185 is clearly a brighter bulb, and MOP should smooth out the filament artifacts seen on SMO.

Two things I would expand upon. As Rich pointed out the IMR 16340 cells are somewhat limited in their mAh stored power, so as long as you don't mind a relatively short run time, it's fine. Secondly, the various IMR cells have to be examined as far as how well they hold a particular voltage at a given amp draw rate. I don't know if AW has 3A & 5A performance run graphs at his sales site (if not, you can ask him), but looking at these charts from my tests give you a good idea what is the optimal voltage delivered for each bulb (Vbulb).

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/pike444/bulbs/1185.jpg
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/pike444/bulbs/1794-Final.jpg

Remember, my charts are from testing with virtually no resistance, and your light will have some resistance which will lower the Vbulb from what you have as Vbattery.
 

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Not being sure if I will like the WA1185 in comparison with the FM1794 I bought and extension tube for my current 2 x 18650 setup to turn into 3 x IMR 18650 powering an FM1909 which Im sure will be visibly brighter then both the 1794 & WA1185 :p
My wife would kill me if she knew how much money Im spending on my lights. I need to stop buying lights for a while...my last 4 days worth of shopping is as follows :

$50 Petzl Zipka head lamp
$50,50 Solarforce L2p host for nailbender SST-50
$65 Z59 + 6P bezel
$80 SST-50 from nailbender
$23,50 2x IMR 18650 from AW
$39,50 3x IMR 16340 plus charger from AW
$14 1x IMR 18650 from AW
$38 for socket/reflector MOP with installed WA1185
$24 for 4 spare WA1185 bulbs
$8 Internatinal Shipping
Total $392,50

$48 for socket/reflector MOP with installed FM1909
$32 for 2 spare FM1909 bulbs
$36 for the 68mm extension tube
$8 Internatinal Shipping
Total $124

over 500 bucks, sick...please dont even think about telling me I should get something more :p
 

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Lux, do you have a comparison between the D26 socket/reflector with 1794 and the Sunlight socket/reflector with 1111? According to your bulb charts, @8.2V (which should be easily be produced by 2x IMR 16340, at least at turn-on) 1111= 1135 lumens, which will flash the 1794.

Although @7.8V (on your chart), the 1794 @1067 lumens does beat the 1111 @984 lumens, the 1111 beats it at turn-on with 2x fully-charged IMRs; I'd like to see these two set-ups in a side-by-side shootout! :devil:

Thanks, Tony lovecpf
 

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the big load on two little IMR 16340 in FMs new 2x16340 with C head with either of these bulbs makes 8.4 volts unrealistic. These bulbs will run at at least one full volt less, under load.

This is why the 1794 was custom made. To run off two Li-ion cells.

Its brighter at these realistic voltages during the entire run. Like at 7.0 - 7.4 volts.

Also last I checked the G4 Sunlight was sold out. and only has one reflector.

while the 1.5mm socket reflector is still available and has 4 different reflector options.

Also the 1794 Now also fits FMs E series turbo head as there is room for the halogen point.

As far as I know there are no E series options for the 1111

IM just saying. IMHO the 1794 is a better performer then the 1111 at any voltage. after a few hours the xenon 1111 will blacken but the 1794 wont due to its halogen.

The FM1794 fits in more sockets and has more options.
 

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after a few hours the xenon 1111 will blacken but the 1794 wont due to its halogen.

Actually, the fill gas in a WA1111 bulb is Halogen-Krypton. Because I sell these bulbs, please do not take my word for it. You can look up this information on Welch Allyn's own website. And they do not blacken after a few hours of use. However, I do not have proof of this second point, only personal experience.
 

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Actually, the fill gas in a WA1111 bulb is Halogen-Krypton. Because I sell these bulbs, please do not take my word for it. You can look up this information on Welch Allyn's own website. And they do not blacken after a few hours of use. However, I do not have proof of this second point, only personal experience.

thats Awesome! I had no idea that it was Halogen Krypton. The halogen in bulbs causes the metal filament to redeposit itself on the filament, and not the glass.

I like the 1111 when used with larger sized cells like AW 18500 or AW 18650.

When using IMR cells, in the 16340 size I prefer FM1794, but sometimes I set it up with two AW18650 26P for super long runtime.
 

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Cool

the 1.5mm FM 1794 uses only 3 amps, and at 7.2 volts puts out 871 Lumens (according to LuxLuthors testing and Fivemegas designs) :grin2:

while the 4mm WA 1111 At 7.2 Volts: produces 789 Lumens, draws 3.8 Amps
(according to your sales thread.)

Less Light for more power, at a larger size, and lower price.

I own and use both bulbs, they are great both of them.

In fact I will be ordering some WA 1111 sometime in the future.

thanks for the link. Good to know of two reliable sources for WA1111 and 1185, wow the 1185 is inexpensive!
I use the 1185 in a FM G4 Sunlight Socket with his C Head deep turbo head.
My brightest light next to the FM 1909 at 2,300 Lumens. IMR only.
 
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Wow, I didn't realize those 1794 bulbs were so efficient. I probably looked up LuxLuthor's tests on that bulb before the lumen rating was revised. It looks a lot better with the new figures.
 

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I have a D26 module with a FM 1794 bulb and also have FM's D26 Sunlight with WA 1111's I run them in FM's 2x26500 host, his Deep C turbo head and AW's softstart. I do prefer the WA1111 bulb over the 1794, for some reason the WA1111 is just a bit more satisfying.
 

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Wow, I didn't realize those 1794 bulbs were so efficient. I probably looked up LuxLuthor's tests on that bulb before the lumen rating was revised. It looks a lot better with the new figures.

I so totally agree. :thumbsup:


Question:
Anyone know offhand: How many watts is the WA 1111? The FM1794 is 21 watts at its default voltage.

I had no idea the Amperage was actually lower on the FM1794 compared to other larger bulbs even though it was rated higher in lumens at default voltage.

I have a D26 module with a FM 1794 bulb and also have FM's D26 Sunlight with WA 1111's I run them in FM's 2x26500 host, his Deep C turbo head and AW's softstart. I do prefer the WA1111 bulb over the 1794, for some reason the WA1111 is just a bit more satisfying.

I use the 1185 with 3x18500 with FM host and FM extension with the same turbo head you mentioned for throw and heat dissipation.

I love the 1111 in My FM 2x18500 with two AW 18500. The 1111 that was installed by FM in the MOP G4 Sunlight socket is perfectly focused and has an amazing hot spot. Thats my favorite 1111 setup, in that form factor.

In This new Fivemega 2x16340 Host, the FM1794 is my favorite bulb in that setup, in that host, and form factor.

Either of those two setups are more than what's needed for self defense.

I also like the FM 1794 on two AW18650 2600P and an HS reflector for great halogen flood when walking my dog.

I guess that makes the WA-1111 and the FM1794 My two most favorite and most often used bulbs!

I only sell the FM-1794, and others, because its the only source for them; and I wanted some, felt others did too. (and I think its the greatest 1.5mm bulb ever made.)

If no one was selling the 1185 and 1111 I guess I would have to carry them also, thank goodness there's already two ample sources for those on CPF and CPFM.

Don't forget thank lux as without him this discussion wouldn't even be possible.

we should all thank Fivemega for making the only Sockets that hold both 1.5mm and 4mm bulbs in SF hosts.

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