Small edc 18650

Dan2503

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1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?

____I would like to purchase the light in person from a brick and mortar store. I am located in ______________.
___X_This will be mail-order or Online (location doesn't matter).


2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :)

____I don't know yet
____Up to $25.
___X_Up to $50.
____Up to $100.
____Up to $200.
____Up to $300.
____Essentially unlimited.


3) Format:

____I am not sure, please help me decide.
__X__I want a flashlight (hand held/self contained).
____I want a self-contained headlamp.
____I want a headlamp with an external pack/power source.
____I want a mounted light (typically for a bicycle or vehicle)
____I want a lantern/area light.
____I want a portable spotlight (it may have an external power source).
____Other ____________________________________________


4) Size:

____MICRO - Keychain size.
____TINY - Every day carry (2-4 inches).
__X__SMALL - Every day carry (4-7 inches).
____MEDIUM - Holster/belt ring carry. (>7 inches)
____LARGE - Big enough to need its own travel case.
____I don't know/I don't care.


5) Emitter/Light source:

__X__LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
____Incandescent (known for superior color rendition)
____HID (known for max output, but often at the expense of size)
____I don't know.


6) Manufacturer:

__X__I want to buy a light from a large/traditional manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
____I would like a light from a specialty manufacturer (Possibly limited run/Custom).
____I am interested in assembling my own components. (for example a "host" or flashlight body from one manufacturer, and a "drop-in" emitter from another source).


7) What power source do you want to use?

____I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Alkaline batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
____I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Lithium batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D and CR123 sized cells common to most stores (often a cold weather or long storage choice).
____I intend to use Rechargeable cells (NiMH or NiCD) based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
__X__I intend to use Rechargeable cells based on less common formats (18500 or 18650 Li-Ion, RCR123, et-al).
____I want a light with an integrated rechargeable battery pack.
____I don't know/I need more information on power sources.

7a) If you have selected a rechargeable option
____I want a light that plugs directly into the wall (literally with prongs built into the light)
____I want a light that has a recharging adapter (your typical "wall wart")
____I want a light that snaps into a cradle (usually mounted on a wall)
____I want a separate/stand-alone charger (this involves removing the batteries to charge)
____I don't care


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is not a happy experience).

____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (1-10 lumens).
____I want an indoor "blackout" light (15-50 lumens)
__X__I want to confidently walk around an unlit/unpaved rural area (60-150 lumens).
____I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
____I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
____I want search and rescue type illumination (800+ lumens).

____SPECIAL NOTE: Burst/Turbo mode Category - There are several lights that will run at a super bright maximum for a very limited period (usually 5-10 minutes) and then will "step-down" to a lower level for thermal control. Check here if this is acceptable.


9) Flood vs Throw: Flood covers an area, Throw reaches out to a distance.

____All Flood: I am doing "arms length" tasks like reading and campsite cooking.
___X_Wide Flood: I want a defined flood area for semi-close tasks like after-dark campsite tasks or working on a car.
____Narrow Flood: I want a sharply defined flood area that will project some distance for tasks like trail walking.
____Wide Throw: I want a beam with a noticeable hot-center for distance throw and a significant amount of "side-spill". Good for rough trail hiking, search and rescue, and general distance work.
____Narrow Throw: I want a beam with a very tight "hot center" and minimal "side-spill". Good for distance viewing, fog, and looking through dense undergrowth.
____Turbohead: I want a far-distance projector with a sharply focused spot of light and minimal or zero side-spill. Good for extreme distance and impressing your friends.

9a) Distance: How far away will you typically need to see with this light (check all that apply)
____Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
____Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
_X___5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
____30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
____50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
____150+ yards (I am searching from a helicopter)

10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum continuous output).

____Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
____30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
____90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
__X__3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).




11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A "night-stand" light).
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
__X__Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
____I don't know.


12) Switch Size, Type, and location (choose all that apply):

____Any size switch will do.
____I need a BIG switch (I'll be using gloves or have very large hands or coordination issues).
____I want a forward clicky (Helpful for momentary activation and signaling).
____I want a reverse clicky (For use with multi-mode/level lights).
____I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
____I want a twisty switch (Tighten the head/tailcap to activate, and the light will stay on until the head/tailcap is loosened).
___X_I want a body mounted switch (near the head, like on a Maglite).
___X_I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today's high end lights).
____I want a remote switch (usually found on high-end bicycle headlights)
____I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________________.


13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

_X___A simple on-off with only one output level is fine for me.
____I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a programmable light.
____I want a selector ring.
____I want a strobe mode. (Oscillating pattern to confuse/blind aka "Police Mode")
____I want SOS mode. (blinks in ---...--- emergency pattern)
____I want a beacon mode. (Regular flashes at full power to show location.)
____I don't care.
____I don't know.


14)Material/Finish/Coating

____Plastic/composite body (this may limit your choices significantly).
__X__Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today's higher end flashlights).
____Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)
____Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
____I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________.

15) Water resistance
____None needed
____IPX4 (Splash resistant)
___X_IPX7 (Waterproof to 1 meter/30min)
____IPX8 (Submersible to greater than 1 meter for 4 hours)

16) Storage conditions
____In house (temperature/climate controlled environment)
__X__Emergency kit (long standby periods)
____Automobile glove-box (wide temperature swings, long standby periods, critical reliability)
____Other_________________________________________ ____


17) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any/all below.

____Red filter (for preserving night vision).
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
____"Hybrid" light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Pocket/belt clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Crenulated bezel
____Non-sparking, Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
 

nfetterly

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Hmm, I was going to suggest my Zebralight S600 (modded to warm), but it's $60 in the CPF marketplace.

My suggestion though if length of runtime is critical you may want to consider multi-level (low / medium / high) operation.

I'll let other folks chime in from there...
 

passive101

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The Fenix E35 Ultimate, can be had for $50 dollars. I have the Fenix PD35 and the beam pattern will be very similar. The E35 Ultimate is just a tad shorter and brighter. It's a well reviewed light.

Fenix E35 Ultimate $44.95 in a google search for it at battery junction it looks like. 900 lumens and easy to use multiple brightness settings. Memory of the last setting used. 3 hrs on high. 5.1" long, good quality http://www.fenixlight.com/ProductMore.aspx?id=120&tid=11&cid=1#.U411WPldVgg

Video review of the user interface https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd_bIp-Pqts
 

Dan2503

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Thanks for your help so far....The Fenix e35 would fit the bill exactly apart from the UI. I have a friend who owns this and the on/off switch is so sensitive that I lost my patience after 5 minutes of not being able to operate. I don't necessarily need stupid bright. Around 200lm would be fine. Just size reliability and runtime are key.
 

Poppy

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I'd like suggest that you look at:
Convoy S2 Cree XM-L U2-1B 1400ma 2-Group 3/5-Mode EDC LED Flashlight Cool white tint
Convoy S2 Cree XM-L T5-5C 2-Group 3/5-Mode EDC LED Flashlight For a more warm/neutral tint


To switch mode group: switch to low mode and wait for 5 seconds.
As soon as you notice a quick blink, half press the power switch
and mode group is then toggled.

Group 1 (5-Mode): Lo (5%) > Mid (40%) > Hi (100%) > Strobe > SOS;
Group 2 (3-Mode): Lo (5%) > Mid (40%) > Hi (100%)

From a 3400 mAh battery one might expect: driven at 1400ma

low: 30-35 lumen: 40 hours.
mid: 150-200 lumen: 6 hours.
max: 400-450 lumen: 2.5 hours

They can also be ordered with different drivers so you can move your lumen output up or down a little bit. Less than $20

They also have a stainless steel version, I think it is the S7. That one however, is shorter, and will only take non-protected batteries. I personally like stainless for an EDC because there is no anodizing to wear off or chip.
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If smaller is better than you may look at the DQG XML2 it can be had in neutral or cool white about $35

Good luck in your choice. :)
 
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Mr Floppy

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Xeno S3A is another compact 18650. It's only a little bit larger than some AA lights. It has quite a large hotspot and bright spill so even though it is not all flood, it is a large hotspot. I EDC the warm white version. It gives about 2.5 hours of perfectly flat output from a 2600mAh battery and apparently you will get over 3 hours from a 3100mAh battery. Output on high is a little higher than what you want but it is designed for runtime/output balance.
 

Ladp.1

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My suggestion would be to look into a Eagletac D25LC2 with the Nichia 219 led. It's my current edc light and I love it! It's not quite as bright as the XML2 or XPG2 versions but the tint and 90+ CRI goodness are well worth that trade off to me. It makes any cool white light I have look nasty in comparison. It's not way over driven like some so I'm totally comfortable running it on high for extended periods. :)
 

TEEJ

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My suggestion would be to look into a Eagletac D25LC2 with the Nichia 219 led. It's my current edc light and I love it! It's not quite as bright as the XML2 or XPG2 versions but the tint and 90+ CRI goodness are well worth that trade off to me. It makes any cool white light I have look nasty in comparison. It's not way over driven like some so I'm totally comfortable running it on high for extended periods. :)

He wants over 3 hours though, so I'm not sure the light can do it with the N219 on high for anywhere near that. On low maybe, but that's lower than he's looking for.


On the other hand, as we ARE talking about rechargeable cells, personally, for something like hiking/walks, etc, its not THAT big a deal to swap in a fresh cell if you need one, etc.

:D
 
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Ladp.1

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It will run on high, not turbo, for 3 hours on a 3100mha battery at 287 lumens...at least according to EagleTac. I've never personally timed it though.
 

TEEJ

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It will run on high, not turbo, for 3 hours on a 3100mha battery at 287 lumens...at least according to EagleTac. I've never personally timed it though.

Not really (It doesn't actually say that)

1) Those are LED lumens, not OTF, high for the N219 is only a claimed 204 lumens. not 287 L, and,

2) They don't list the run time for the N219 version, only the XML2 and XPG2, which are more efficient than the N219 is. At least on the Eagletac website spec that opened for me a little bit ago...if there's another version....I didn't see it, but, if you have new data, let me know and I'll update my posts to reflect it)

3) IIRC, ET tends to count run times a bit generously, IE: Adding together the combined runtimes including step downs, for a given level. Example - They list TURBO as 1.5 to 1 hr depending on the LED....and, its about 200 SECONDS of Turbo, plus, the remaining run time at lower levels ADDED to the Turbo's run time, and so forth....NOT an hour at Turbo (Despite that being the LISTED run time in Turbo).

Almost all the other makers do something similar (Add the run times together to make it look like higher modes run longer, etc...), so I'm not picking on ET...just putting into perspective a recommendation that is for "real world use", and not "spec sheet use".


So, if you DID PERSONALLY time it, while measuring the output, you would see that it doesn't put out 287 lumens for 3 hours...even if it IS on a spec sheet some where.

:D

So, as nice as the N219 is, in this application, its too weak and inefficient to compensate for how nice things would look until it died, vs how dark it would look after that....unless the OP is open to my suggestion that a few spare cells are nice/easy enough to swap in while out using the light.
 

Ladp.1

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I believe it uses the same driver as the xpg2 version so the run times are the same. The spg2 just puts out more light at the same drive current. Anyway, that was my suggestion.
 

LetThereBeLight!

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My suggestion would be to look into a Eagletac D25LC2 with the Nichia 219 led. It's my current edc light and I love it! It's not quite as bright as the XML2 or XPG2 versions but the tint and 90+ CRI goodness are well worth that trade off to me. It makes any cool white light I have look nasty in comparison. It's not way over driven like some so I'm totally comfortable running it on high for extended periods. :)

I second the notion of the Eagletac D25LC2 but the Clicky Cool White XM-L2 U2 model.

Good luck to you with your selection!
 
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