Stupid newbie question

PaulHsu

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naw they are all completly different.

one is a older technology 5W led, the next is a older technology 1W led, and the third is a 3W newer technology led.

ya see that is like buying a picasso, instead of a andy warhol :)

besides, with the full head thing you assemble it into a nice foam filled pelican case , like a expencive weapon, and assemble what you need before you go, to get the suitable item for the intended usage.
with the raw replacement innards, you cant just pop off one head and toss on the other.

the solution is simple, they are ALL completly different, buy them all :)
and of course
http://www.pelican-case.com/1780.html
 
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oh my god I am so stupid

I didn't understand any of that :sigh:
 
The explanations above are correct. However if you are nto familiar with the terminology it can be confusing, like when Im sent out shopping for groceries and have no idea what the hell im buying!
So to come back to the topic at hand, the solutions you listed are priced differnetly due to different technology, and differnet sources.
For the best solution to your question, please mention what light you have already, and what use you want from it, and also your budget. You will have no shortage of useful advice! ;-)
 
Howdy PaulHsu,
LOL, don't worry, you aren't 'stupid'. Part of the fun of any hobby is learning all the new stuff..... but like anything, it can be a bit daunting at first until you get a firm grasp of the basics.

The good thing is.... you have a neat new Surefire... one of the finest lights in the world... so hey, just relax and let's see if we can't help you find what you need.

One of the neat things about Surefire lights is that you can mix and match different bodies, heads, tailcaps, etc (at least to a certain extent) ..... and come up with your own light.... something that fills your special needs. Neat!

So, you could have a body that holds one battery, and another that holds two batteries, and another that hold 3 batteries, and an incandescent head, and an LED head.... all in one case, along with various tailcaps...... and then just pick the pieces you wanted to use at that point in time.... screw them together.... and off you go. Neat! But also kind of expensive.

The first item you listed is a complete head assembly.... the head tube, the reflector, the glass, the LED.... etc. That's why it's so expensive. It also is using an older LED technology (things are moving very fast in the world of LEDs, and something that was state-of-the-art 6 months ago... heck.... 1 month ago, ha...... is now being surpassed by newer LEDs that are brighter, but use the same amount of energy. NEAT, but it can make it challenging to keep up.

The 2nd item you listed is an even older technology than the first one, and not quite as bright, or efficient.

Now, the 3rd item you listed might be something you could use. It's what we call a 'drop-in', and they come in many different styles... so you need to spend some time learning about them. The nice thing is, that to use it... all you do is unscrew the bezel (front part that holds the glass in place), remove the glass..... remove the old lamp assembly.... and then drop-in the new LED assembly.... put the glass back... screw the bezel back down, and you are in business..... and since you didn't have to replace the whole head you saved some mula.

However..... quality varies greatly with drop-ins. You want one that is regulated (has a driver 'chip' that keeps the light at a constant level throughout the life of the battery). You might also want one that offers 2 or 3 different levels of light. High is great.... but sometimes for closeup work, a lower light level can be much more useful.... and..... you get longer runtime from the batteries with a lower light level.... useful in emergency situations.

TINT (the color of the light) also varies greatly in drop-ins. Some of the more expensive ones offer more consistently 'whiter' LEDs, while some of the cheaper ones can be a gamble. It might be bluish, it might be yellowish, it might be white.

Heatsinking varies to. LEDs operate better if they stay cool, and we do that with a piece of metal under that LED... and hopefully a pathway from that hunk of metal directly to the flashlight body (if it's metal too), so that the heat will go away from the LED. The better the heatsinking, the more effeciently the LED will operate, and probably, the longer it will last.

You also need to match the voltage of the drop-in to the voltage of the batteries you will be using. If you are using 2xCR123 batteries, that is 6 volts... so you need a drop-in rated to run at 6 volts. Many drop-ins are rated for 1.5 volts to 8.4 volts... or 3.6-13 volts..... etc. This is so that you can use a variety of battery setups with that drop-in.

Ok.... that's enough for now. Here are a couple that you might like:

http://www.pts-flashlights.com/products/product.aspx?pid=1-25-114-116-6356

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1343

I don't have either of these...... I've just been reading up on them, and thought you could use a little current info. Keep reading, especially the review section, and pretty soon you will begin to see what you need. Happy hunting! :)
 
Thanks for the explanation - I really appreciate the long post there!

That all makes great sense - my only question would be would someone need the entire assembly over a simple cheaper drop in?
 
Thanks for the explanation - I really appreciate the long post there!

That all makes great sense - my only question would be would someone need the entire assembly over a simple cheaper drop in?

A drop-in would probably work just fine and would be cheaper. That's up to you and your wallet to decide!!
 
naw they are all completly different.

one is a older technology 5W led, the next is a older technology 1W led, and the third is a 3W newer technology led.

The KL5 features a Luxeon V (sometimes called a 5W LED)

The KL3 features a Luxeon III (sometimes called a 3W LED)
Note: the old version of the KL3 did used to feature a Luxeon I (sometimes called a 1W LED)
 
The KL5 features a Luxeon V (sometimes called a 5W LED)

The KL3 features a Luxeon III (sometimes called a 3W LED)
Note: the old version of the KL3 did used to feature a Luxeon I (sometimes called a 1W LED)

Gotcha - so is a Luxeon III and Luxeon V a "type" of LED like a Cree or a Rebel?
 
Gotcha - so is a Luxeon III and Luxeon V a "type" of LED like a Cree or a Rebel?
Cree is a manufacturer - the so-called "Cree LED" that people currently talk about is the model "XR-E".

'Rebel' is a new model of Luxeon LED from makers Philips Lumileds following on from the Luxeon I, V, III & K2.
 
Thanks - so are the newer models of a company's line intrinsically better?

Is the Luxeon I, V, III & K2 a progression to the Rebel?

For example is the Rebel superior in all aspects to the previous models of Phillips Lumis?

Also does the 3w and 5w mean 3 and 5 watt? Is that the minimum power needed to run them?
 
the drop-in you find on ebay is the same one you find at DX. the ones from DX are also cheaper in price.
 
the drop-in you find on ebay is the same one you find at DX. the ones from DX are also cheaper in price.

Thanks for the info - :thumbsup:

anyone know the answer to my last set of questions? Here they are again -

Is the Luxeon I, V, III & K2 a progression to the Rebel?

For example is the Rebel superior in all aspects to the previous models of Phillips Lumis?

Also does the 3w and 5w mean 3 and 5 watt? Is that the minimum power needed to run them?
 
I hope its ok - im gonna start a new thread for these new questions.
 
Thanks for the info - :thumbsup:

anyone know the answer to my last set of questions? Here they are again -

Is the Luxeon I, V, III & K2 a progression to the Rebel?

For example is the Rebel superior in all aspects to the previous models of Phillips Lumis?

Also does the 3w and 5w mean 3 and 5 watt? Is that the minimum power needed to run them?

the rebel is more another style, than some higher powered thing, its Different form.

1 3 and 5 w is the total power you can run them at, they dont always run them at the full power, because of various factors. heat has to be removed, and regulators often used are not perfect, and batteries dont stay at the exact same output.
generally though a higher powered one, run lower will live longer at least, even if its driven similar.

they CAN consume the 1 3 and 5 watts of power IF they are run at thier peak. they run great on low TOO. they will operate with as little as 5ma or less, with a barely visable glow.

the LED itself is what they are referring to when they say 1 - 3 and 5, only the full specs, or testing would tell you the actual wattage consumption it uses, and (again) often dependant on the power source.

available to consumers, the LUx1 was first, then the lux3 then the K2 , and they were all steps of higher power use
the rebel takes a completly different form, is supposed to be more efficient, and is not as high powered as the k2
the Lux5 is 4 total gates, 2 series 2 in parellel, its a larger light source , and runs off of 2x voltages.
the cree and seoul and rebel items are 1-3W type leds, and they use a more efficent design that lets more light out, not sure yet the ramifications of that though.
 
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