SureFire body thickness

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Looking at my SF 9P, am amazed at how solid the body is build. Is there any reason why it's built like a tank? Looking at 3x123 cells, they are much smaller than the body.

Look at Fenix P3D, it's much smaller diameter wise.

Looks like the SureFire lite could take being driven over by an 18-wheeler..

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I totally like the larger diameter making it easier to grip, what doesn't make sense is putting so small cells in such a large lite.

Looks like the lite should last 100 years (if it doesn't get stolen or lost)

But, size efficiency... I think Fenix, et al, have too thin bodies, but this SF is over-engineered I think...
 
Thats part of the mystique. IMHO the body is stronger than the bezel. I dropped mine on a hard tile floor and dented the bezel. It still works though so I just keep using it with the flat spot on it. IMHO Inovas are also super-solid and hefty feeling in the hand.
 
Surefires were designed for military and police use, so they need to meet certain build specs for toughness and durability. Hence the great thick bodies. :D
 
The answer is "Historic."

SureFire standardised on a 1 inch diameter body right from the beginning - their products fit standard 1 inch diameter 'scope rings'.

Due to the modular approach SureFire pioneered there is a need for batteries to be accessed from both the body and bezel ends of the lights where several tubes are threaded together.
Moreover due to the shock-isolated Lamp Modules used by the WeaponLights the batteries had to be accessible from the rear of the light because they are physically stopped entering the Lamp Assembly through the Lamp Module Body/Adapter Collar, and sometimes, moreso in the old days there was an off-set adapter between the Lamp Module and the body.

Also in the old days SureFire gave operators the option of a number of remote switches, and combined flag and remote switches. These required space to wire-in. 1" diameter was sufficient. The E-Series diameter is not.

As mentioned it was decided to use a thicker body wall for robustness and the ability to use high quality threads, as well as achieve the 1" standard.

As also mentioned there is a need for tools used by those in adverse conditions, such as stressed conditions, the cold/wet, whilst gloved etc, the tools need to be ergonomic for people, often with 'man-sized' hands to use - large enough to easily grip, operate and retain. The push button pressure switch diameter and profile is no accident - it was evolved from SureFire's development and interaction with its customers.

Note that as time moved on so did SureFire when they introduced their Executive Series (E-Series) with the smaller diameter body. The body being too thin to remove the batteries from the TailCap-end because SureFire wanted to retain the high-quality threads.

Even with the A2/L1/A2 SureFire found that the TailCap-end of the body could only be made so thin - requiring modified threads and a new approach with a inserted contact ring.
Check out Shelby Chan's photo of the cut-away A2:
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etc you should see the barrel thickness of the Fenix TK20!

Size15's cool cut-away photo, thats one way to kill a surefire!
 
Looking at my SF 9P, am amazed at how solid the body is build. Is there any reason why it's built like a tank? Looking at 3x123 cells, they are much smaller than the body.

Look at Fenix P3D, it's much smaller diameter wise.

Looks like the SureFire lite could take being driven over by an 18-wheeler..

Isn't that the whole point of buying a Surefire? If you simply want a bright light there are plenty of cheaper brands out there. Robustness in extreme conditions is usually why people are willing to swallow the cost of a Surefire because you know it's going to last you many years. Even when you upgrade with 3rd party drop-ins and screw-ons, at least you know the SF host isn't going to be the weak link.

I also think there's a useful by-product of SF's build quality in that it has set the standard for others to follow. Okay not every manufacturer is specifically aiming at the military/LEO market, but the penetration of SF lights into the civilian markets does show that people do care whether their torches will survive abuse and damage, so cheaper lights need to offer a better degree of protection to find a market. If you cannot be confident about a light's ability to shrug off the knocks and bangs of everyday life, why would you buy it? Having a market leader like Surefire is good for the flashlight market in general because although their products may, for some, be aspirational rather than an absolute necessity, they do demonstrate what can be achieved by manufacturers at the highest levels if they want to, and what customers can reasonably demand if they are wiling to pay for it.
 
How does one go about getting a cut-away model like that?
 
How does one go about getting a cut-away model like that?
PK had his engineers make cut-away versions of a variety of models. Shelby Chan took that photo of the A2 as I was holding it during one of PK's SHOT Show parties (2004 I believe)... There was an L1 as well. There have been a few others since as well.
 
Do they just take a stock flashlight (like we would buy) and then carefully cut it apart on a machine?
 
PK had his engineers make cut-away versions of a variety of models. Shelby Chan took that photo of the A2 as I was holding it during one of PK's SHOT Show parties (2004 I believe)... There was an L1 as well. There have been a few others since as well.

Is there an M6 version? :huh:
 
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