surefire E2D LED Defender vrs Olight M20 Warrior PREMIUM

[deranged_coder]

Oh ok. Yeah I was considering getting one of these if I can use 3.7 rechargeables such as the AWs. Also being able to carry it in my front right pocket. I was concerned with if it will damage my clothing or items. Does the E2DL also take 18650s?

CR123 batteries are a fairly snug fit in the E2DL. I have not tried putting an 18650 cell in there but I kinda doubt it will fit. :shrug:

Will test it later when I get the chance, just to be sure. 🙂

EDIT: Tried it and an 18650 will definitely not fit into the E2DL.

 

[herrgurka]

CR123 batteries are a fairly snug fit in the E2DL. I have not tried putting an 18650 cell in there but I kinda doubt it will fit. :shrug:

Will test it later when I get the chance, just to be sure. 🙂

Mine doesn't even take an 17670 (AW, protected). At least not all the way because the body is narrowing towards the tail. Maybe an unprotected would work but I don't use them any more so I can't check.

 

[Mdinana]

FYI:
The M20 is IP-68 rated; dust proof and immersion tested at over 1M. Not a diving light but still quite 'waterproof.'
The M20 has been weapon-mount tested - 500 rounds on an AR15 IIRC.

Weapon testing on an AR15! Ha... that was good.

OK, yeah, it's a weapon. But not exactly a measure of robustness. The kick of an AR... well... I've been hit harder by bugs riding a bicycle. Seriously, that's like saying you weapon tested on an air rifle - there's not much recoil to contend with (though I'm happy to see it was an impressive number of rounds).

Now something in the .30 caliber ranger or higher would impress me more. Anyone know if that's been done?

 

[N/Apower]

Weapon testing on an AR15! Ha... that was good.

OK, yeah, it's a weapon. But not exactly a measure of robustness. The kick of an AR... well... I've been hit harder by bugs riding a bicycle. Seriously, that's like saying you weapon tested on an air rifle - there's not much recoil to contend with (though I'm happy to see it was an impressive number of rounds).

Now something in the .30 caliber ranger or higher would impress me more. Anyone know if that's been done?

Run it on a shotgun before you call it G2G. That is my standard anyways.

FYI, the recoil impulse of an air-rifle will tear stuff UP! when it comes to optics.

 

[MattK]

Now something in the .30 caliber ranger or higher would impress me more. Anyone know if that's been done?

You supply the gun and ammo - I'll send a light and batteries for T & E. 😛

 

[N/Apower]

You supply the gun and ammo - I'll send a light and batteries for T & E. 😛

Dad has an AR in .300 SAUM, would that do 😛

Seriously though, when he gets a rail system put on his AR-10 .308 carbine, it will be a good T&E platform.

 

[1996alnl]

I measured my new E2DL just a few minutes ago. and the big news is


😱😱😱 210 lumens at turn on and still 203 lumens after a full minute plus warm up, on high. 😱😱😱

8.1 lumens on low.

That's going to make a lot of SureFire Believers very happy I guess. I can't say that I blame them. It is what it is.

I was shocked to see it but since I own it I can't complain.

I lost a small gentlemanly wager over this one so its literally costing me to publish the truth (not that I wouldn't) Just goes further to the shock factor. Its far better than advertised at 120 lumens. I am guessing that E2DL sales are going to go up, since it is in the 200 lumen class. More power to them. Time for breakfast.

Thanks for doing this MrGman.
Just goes to show you,you can't compare SF claimed lumens with other manufacturers.
You can only compare their lights WITH their lights.

Over 200 lumens..amazing.
Not surprised just very impressed. When i first bought my E2DL i went downstairs to my basement in total darkness and when i turned this light on i was simply blown away.
I thought holyf#%k this thing must be putting out a good 200 lumens.:devil:
I know SF lights are overpriced but damn they are top notch.
Thanks for the confirmation,enjoy your light.

 

[auxcoastie]

I would say go with the Surefire. You live close so convince plays a factor. Not to mention the guarantee.

 

[Search]

Weapon testing on an AR15! Ha... that was good.

OK, yeah, it's a weapon. But not exactly a measure of robustness. The kick of an AR... well... I've been hit harder by bugs riding a bicycle. Seriously, that's like saying you weapon tested on an air rifle - there's not much recoil to contend with (though I'm happy to see it was an impressive number of rounds).

Now something in the .30 caliber ranger or higher would impress me more. Anyone know if that's been done?

You even fired an AR?

If it works on the gun you want it to work on, then who really cares..

 

[gsxrac]

Ok well I love the output and throw of my M20 but HATE having that huge head in my pocket while im riding my streetbike. I think im going to go ahead and get the e2dl. Any way I will be able to find out who has this ~200lm anomaly so I can get that one?😱

 

[N/Apower]

Ok well I love the output and throw of my M20 but HATE having that huge head in my pocket while im riding my streetbike. I think im going to go ahead and get the e2dl. Any way I will be able to find out who has this ~200lm anomaly so I can get that one?😱

Who says it's an anomoly? Mine will be tested in a day or two and we can see if it backs up MrGman's personal E2DL.

 

[DHart]

I'm sure the E2DL is an awesome light. I do love Surefire's stuff. Which one of these two edges out the other in max output is totally unimportant to me. Obviously, either one is plenty bright for the class and both are good quality lights.

Not that my opinion carries a lot of weight around here, but honestly, if the comparison between the E2DL and the M20 is even remotely close, then the M20's ability to use an 18650 or (is it possible?) two RCR123's? makes all the difference between the two in my view. I'm just one of those who doesn't feel all that warm and fuzzy about running two primaries together, even though I know that they are "relatively" safe if very-well-matched to each other and of top-grade quality. I just happen to prefer using rechargeables for the most part, when possible. Among stock-configuration Surefires, I much prefer the single-cell models. 🙄 All of my EDC lights are single-cell, so I'm not a huge two-cell fan. My JetBeam III-M (awesome light!) runs on an AW 18650.

 

[gsxrac]

I thought a few people were saying earlier that they got the "good version" or that their light was not as bright as others e2dl's? Hopefully theyre all in the 200lm range though =) Either way im sold. Ive been carrying my M20 every day for months but this may just be my new primary EDC!!!

 

[MrGman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1MGK4KD_VU

The Surefire E2DL versus a Dereelight R2 with smooth reflector in a Solarforce Host using an AR coated lens. Looking at human sized targets at about 53 feet away but the camera is only about 38 feet away from the targets. Dynamic video rather than still beamshots. The camera is setting auto exposure in movie camera mode. I could see the non illuminated target a little better with the Dereelight in a reflector over the E2DL, much better than what the camera shows.

The point is that even at only 53 feet away (not yards) both beams are large enough to see a man size target, just not multiple targets if they are not close together.

Everything has a trade off. More top secret videos to be posted another day. G.

 

[N/Apower]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1MGK4KD_VU

The Surefire E2DL versus a Dereelight R2 with smooth reflector in a Solarforce Host using an AR coated lens. Looking at human sized targets at about 53 feet away but the camera is only about 38 feet away from the targets. Dynamic video rather than still beamshots. The camera is setting auto exposure in movie camera mode. I could see the non illuminated target a little better with the Dereelight in a reflector over the E2DL, much better than what the camera shows.

The point is that even at only 53 feet away (not yards) both beams are large enough to see a man size target, just not multiple targets if they are not close together.

Everything has a trade off. More top secret videos to be posted another day. G.

My M600C should be there today or tomorrow

Out at 75-100 yards the Dereelight punches a little deeper, but gives me bad tunnel-vision for weapon-use. Compare it to the E2DL at 75-100y and you will see what I mean. For static targets, I would pick the SMO R2 every time, but for a dynamic environment, (like hunting pigs 🙂 ) I prefer the M600C's beam profile and to sacrifice a wee bit of throw. My ACOG sucks up enough light to extend the usefulness of the beam by about 15-25 yards beyond what you can see with the naked eye.

 

[N/Apower]

I'm sure the E2DL is an awesome light. I do love Surefire's stuff. Which one of these two edges out the other in max output is totally unimportant to me. Obviously, either one is plenty bright for the class and both are good quality lights.

Not that my opinion carries a lot of weight around here, but honestly, if the comparison between the E2DL and the M20 is even remotely close, then the M20's ability to use an 18650 or (is it possible?) two RCR123's? makes all the difference between the two in my view. I'm just one of those who doesn't feel all that warm and fuzzy about running two primaries together, even though I know that they are "relatively" safe if very-well-matched to each other and of top-grade quality. I just happen to prefer using rechargeables for the most part, when possible. Among stock-configuration Surefires, I much prefer the single-cell models. 🙄 All of my EDC lights are single-cell, so I'm not a huge two-cell fan. My JetBeam III-M (awesome light!) runs on an AW 18650.

I feel just fine using 2 primaries. I use only Surefire/Panasonic, and once I put batteries in a light, they stay togather. Period. Until they are disposed of. The US military has fielded thousands of light systems using 2 primaries and there has yet to be an epidemic of issues. I feel quite safe here. I use the M600C so rarely that 12 batteries to last 6 months is just fine with me. I pay way more to enjoy my 91+ octane swilling WS6 than I do my flashlight. Hobbies cost, sadly 🙁

 

[deranged_coder]

I'm sure the E2DL is an awesome light. I do love Surefire's stuff. Which one of these two edges out the other in max output is totally unimportant to me. Obviously, either one is plenty bright for the class and both are good quality lights.

Not that my opinion carries a lot of weight around here, but honestly, if the comparison between the E2DL and the M20 is even remotely close, then the M20's ability to use an 18650 or (is it possible?) two RCR123's? makes all the difference between the two in my view. I'm just one of those who doesn't feel all that warm and fuzzy about running two primaries together, even though I know that they are "relatively" safe if very-well-matched to each other and of top-grade quality. I just happen to prefer using rechargeables for the most part, when possible. Among stock-configuration Surefires, I much prefer the single-cell models. 🙄 All of my EDC lights are single-cell, so I'm not a huge two-cell fan. My JetBeam III-M (awesome light!) runs on an AW 18650.

First off, I think everyone is welcome to share their opinions, as long as they are presented in a respectful, constructive manner. Kudos to you for presenting your opinion and explaining your reasoning in a nice manner. 🙂

IIRC the M20 can take 2xRCR123 but I am not 100% sure.

I think what is the "winner" in this comparison really depends on what is important to you. To present an alternative opinion, I personally find the E2DL to be big winner compared to the Olight M20 Warrior Premium R2. The reason why is because while having the ability to run on an 18650 is IMHO nice, that is not high on what makes me want to EDC a light. I personally find the E2DL to be the better choice because for me the more compact size of the E2DL makes it much easier to EDC. That and the fact that the E2DL coupled with the F04 diffuser effectively gives me a 4-in-1: high output throw, low output throw, high output flood and low output flood. So for me, I find the E2DL to be the better choice in terms of size and flexibility.

Now, this is not meant in any way to discredit your opinion. I doubt my opinion carries any more weight than anyone else's around here. Just respectfully presenting an alternative opinion. Both are great lights but if I had to pick one over the other to EDC then the E2DL + F04 diffuser is my own personal pick between the two. 🙂

 

[MrGman]

I tested N/A Power's M600C scout. its posted in my Lumens table listing. Peak reading at turn on was 171 lumens, warmed up to 165 lumens. With his diffuser on, its 148 lumens. With his diffuser on my unit warmed up it was 181 lumens. His unit's tint is bluer when placed side by side with mine. Still well above the "rated" 120 lumens by Sure Fire.

It is what it is. G

 

[Size15's]

It would seem a good idea to test a few more examples to see whether one is an over-performer, or the other is an under-performer. Or in fact whether these two are representative of the range and the 'normal' performance output is somewhere between the two.

 

[DHart]

First off, I think everyone is welcome to share their opinions, as long as they are presented in a respectful, constructive manner. Kudos to you for presenting your opinion and explaining your reasoning in a nice manner. 🙂

IIRC the M20 can take 2xRCR123 but I am not 100% sure.

I think what is the "winner" in this comparison really depends on what is important to you. To present an alternative opinion, I personally find the E2DL to be big winner compared to the Olight M20 Warrior Premium R2. The reason why is because while having the ability to run on an 18650 is IMHO nice, that is not high on what makes me want to EDC a light. I personally find the E2DL to be the better choice because for me the more compact size of the E2DL makes it much easier to EDC. That and the fact that the E2DL coupled with the F04 diffuser effectively gives me a 4-in-1: high output throw, low output throw, high output flood and low output flood. So for me, I find the E2DL to be the better choice in terms of size and flexibility.

Now, this is not meant in any way to discredit your opinion. I doubt my opinion carries any more weight than anyone else's around here. Just respectfully presenting an alternative opinion. Both are great lights but if I had to pick one over the other to EDC then the E2DL + F04 diffuser is my own personal pick between the two. 🙂

deranged... this is what's great... the choice depends on the individual's particular use. I'm with you on choosing the E2DL over the M20 ~if~ I wanted the light for EDC. The smaller form factor makes it more comfortable to do. (BTW, I don't EDC my Jet III M because of it's size). Some prefer a 2-cell for EDC and I don't think there's a thing wrong with that if that's what someone prefers. I just happen to prefer single cell for EDC myself. And one of my top favorite lights happens to be the E2DL's little brother.... the E1B. For my needs and preferences, the E1B is among the two or three very best lights Surefire makes. And I sure wouldn't mind having the E2DL to complement it, though I'm not a big fan of the crenelated bezel ring - I'd probably switch that out if I were to buy an E2DL.

If the Jet III M were added to the selection to choose from (which makes sense to me), I'd personally opt for the Jet III M because of it's IBS and wide range of cell options. In fact, I already did! 😉

As for the hazards of running a light with two primaries, I'm not completely opposed to using them... I know that if the cells are very well matched and of high quality that the risk is relatively low, though it is there. For me, given the choice of a light which is able to run on two CR123's ~or~ two RCR's, I'll use the rechargeables for all daily use and only go to primaries for situations where they will serve better (away from a charger/long run times necessary). Thankfully, some light manufacturers are specing their two-cell lights to be able to take 6 to 8.4v and good on them for that!