SureFire EDC1-DFT and EDC2-DFT

pancakeayaka

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If the threads are the same that's definitely a possible solution. I was on the Surefire website recently. They have changed the tail cap on the EDCL1/2 to what appears to be the Tactician style tail cap. Its a gas pedal: push a little for low and harder for high. Twist for constant on. So we have those...
Oh that new tail cap looks great!
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Oh that new tail cap looks great!
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Looks great, but it would be much better for the gas pedal if they made the shifter stick longer/protruding beyond that rim with a ring, like on the old E-series lights. Here the pusher is recessed, it is not convenient for everyone to press. Personally, I would like to have a more protruding button, like on the bottom of the picture (this is a photo-edited image)

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Looks great, but it would be much better for the gas pedal if they made the shifter stick longer/protruding beyond that rim with a ring, like on the old E-series lights. Here the pusher is recessed, it is not convenient for everyone to press. Personally, I would like to have a more protruding button, like on the bottom of the picture (this is a photo-edited image)

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I'm also a big advocate of the protruding button switch, however, the only flashlight I carry and has a recessed button is the EDCL1-T.
It feels very natural and you can activate it easily, you don't need to have the dexterity of a OB-GYN to turn it on, like on some flashlights.
 

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Looks great, but it would be much better for the gas pedal if they made the shifter stick longer/protruding beyond that rim with a ring, like on the old E-series lights. Here the pusher is recessed, it is not convenient for everyone to press. Personally, I would like to have a more protruding button, like on the bottom of the picture (this is a photo-edited image)
I like large, tall button for the long travel clicky switch.
The semi-shrouded gas pedal switch suits me better, it gives me an index point between low & high mode.
 

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Can you put a z68 , or a regular clicky on the edc1? Never fell in love with my 6p switch, and prefer my clicking on my G2 mv.
 

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Looks like same tailcap design as on the SF Tactician. But they turned it into a clicky? That's unfortunate.
The new EDCL1T tailcap is the same length as the old one (longer than the Tacitician's). I think it is still a gas pedal.
 

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The new EDCL1T tailcap is the same length as the old one (longer than the Tacitician's). I think it is still a gas pedal.

EDCL1T is not exactly what is in the title of the topic - EDC1-DFT and EDC2-DFT)) The names are too similar. Unfortunately, the EDC1-DFT seems to have a click-button.
 

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Yeah.

Only new lights I can see are the P1RZ-IB-DF and P1RZ-B-DFT (combat grip P1r peacekeeper with intellibeam and 1500 lumens)
Even then they are not in stock.
 

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Need a larger image, I'm still hoping for Cree XP-P

According to the characteristics, it also fits, + it is 3535, so they can use a stock of old LED boards, and not make new 3030 for Osram
I just put a Cree XP-P in an E1D LED and it’s really impressive, well I think so anyway.
I didn’t use the stock board as the light was modded ages ago and I’ve no idea where the original board is. I modified a copper DTP board to fit and used the stock driver (~1.7A on high from memory).
 

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Very cool! as far as I can see, the TIR lens has not changed since the time they changed those small lenses for XR-E to new ones that are still in X300 and modern E2D 1000 lm. The densest beam that I saw in this TIR was on EB1 with 200 lm and inside XP-E. Does it turn out to be even denser or about the same, but brighter?
 

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Very cool! as far as I can see, the TIR lens has not changed since the time they changed those small lenses for XR-E to new ones that are still in X300 and modern E2D 1000 lm. The densest beam that I saw in this TIR was on EB1 with 200 lm and inside XP-E. Does it turn out to be even denser or about the same, but brighter?
I have one other similar light, the EB1 although it was the 300 lumen model (XPG2), I’ve also modded it. I put a 219C in it that one and a 2.3A driver.
I’ve never seen the EB1 with the XPE in stock but I have modded one (300 lumen model) to XPE2 but that was a while ago.
I don’t currently have any figures but the XP-P creates a more intense beam than my 219C/2.3A light and would likely very easily out do the EB1 200 lumen model.
Compared to the original E1D LED 300 lumens, the XP-P would definitely be brighter, hotspot tighter and throw considerably further.
Sorry I can’t give anything in the way of reasonable comparison or figures, but I can safely say that just going from the stock XPG2 to XPP is as big of a difference as you’d expect and the TIR plays well with the swap.

EDIT:

I added a light meter app to my phone and used a paper diffuser to get some measurements, take these for what they are.

All measurements taken at about 1 meter.
EB1 modded with 219C/2.3A driver: ~10Kcd
E1D modded with XP-P/stock driver: ~20Kcd
Convoy C8+ with XPL Hi/H17Fx: ~85Kcd
(EB1 head used on 2 cell body, 16650. E1D on single cell body, 16340).

This isn’t the most scientific but should give an idea.
For Surefire to get 71Kcd out of the new head the reflector must be great and must be pushing some serious amps out of a small cell (EDC1), can’t imagine it holding it for long.
 
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Thanks a lot for the measurements!

For the CR123 it shows 300 lm in the datasheet and 33Kcd, which is quite normal. 550 lm for 18350, but obviously not for long. It looks like it has a reflector the size of a fury, so candelas like that would be easily reached.
 

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Thanks a lot for the measurements!

For the CR123 it shows 300 lm in the datasheet and 33Kcd, which is quite normal. 550 lm for 18350, but obviously not for long. It looks like it has a reflector the size of a fury, so candelas like that would be easily reached.
No worries.
I didn’t realise the reflector was bigger than the TIR of the E1D. Is the Fury reflector P60 sized or bigger? Looks a bit more substantial.
That should definitely make it easier to throw like that.
I’m guessing the XP-P with the stock E1D driver is putting out around 350 lumens or so? Either way, I’m more interested in my E1D since the XP-P.
With around 350 lumens and 20Kcd which it can hold until the battery is spent, it’s a nice little package.
I’ll have to see how it handles on CR123, the high Vf of the XP-P might not go so well?
It’s going great on 16340, I took some measurements with a battery I’d been using a fair bit and it still hit 20Kcd. The battery read about 3.4V when I took it out.
Surefire are hard to get where I’m from but I wouldn’t mind one of these EDC if they come to fruition. The current model Aviator, possibly in red or amber would be nice too.
Price and availability make it tough.
 
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