Surefire G2, Pelican M6 lithium.. which to buy??

Joseph

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Hi all.
These days I felt leds give me enough brightness but not enough throw... So I decided to carry both led and a nice xenon thrower..

For the price and quality I came up with G2 and PM6...
PM6 seems to be much brighter than G2 according to Quickbeam's review and it seems to run about 25minutes longer than G2.
But PM6 is more expensive here in Korea and it's bigger+heavier than G2...

I don't want to buy both of them since they suck up too much batts.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif So I'm facing the hardest choice in my life...haha..

Please help me choosing a cool light! What would you buy if you only can buy one of the two? and why? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif

Thank you! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Hi, Sung-Su

Glad to see a Korean at this forum. I'm a Korean too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Actually I don't have both lights so, I can't comment at all.

But you don't need to buy flashlights in Korea if you can write english and have a credit card or how to use Paypal.
Maybe you have to pay more than 80,000Won($70) for M6 in Korea but if you buy M6 from "batterystation.com/cpf.htm" you just pay $32(M6) plus $8(shipping to Korea) and can buy 123A cell at $1 for one cell.
I'd bought some flashlights from US and have some knowhow how to buy flashlights from USA directly at cheap price.
Please send me a PM if you want to know more.
 
hello Joseph!! get the G2, the G2 can be upgraded if you want. pelican m6 that m6 i saw before at my country not bad, i give it a 70percent rating. m6 is a bad if you use it in COLD-WEATHER without gloves, m6 cannot be upgraded but you can CUSTOM upgrade your light. G2 is better, take the G2, you can even put the new LEDs heads if you want. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Hello,

I will comment more later but I have a SF G2 on the way (too good of a deal I could not pass up.) Along with a SC1 spares carrier and extra P60 lamp. I will snap a picture of my PM6 LED next to the G2 for size comparison. For now I have a PM6 Incand. (borrowed from a friend), my Sf E2e, and PM6 LED. The PM6 LED may be just a hair shorter due to the clickie vs LOTC on the regular PM6 (all Pelican M6 series will have clickies soon, and the LEDs will have a black rubber boot, not red.)

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I currently have a Pelican M6 LED sitting next to my monitor as I type. I had a Pelican M6 Incandescent a long time ago, but I don't have it anymore. A SF E2e replaced the lost PM6 Incan.

In terms of brightness, according to Quickbeam's Light Box, the Pelican M6 throws 83.67 while the SF G2 comes in at 63.25. The overall (total) light output of the PM6 is 57 and the G2 is 52.

The Pelican M6 wins in both categories but for you're situation, throw seems key. Are you willing to sacrafice size for more throw?

I was stuck with this problem for a while, I dislike my SL Scorpion (my first 2 X CR123) for the crappy rubber sleeve IMHO but it is a good first light to let get banged up. I will strip my batteries from my Scorpion when I get home (currently dorming at college) and probably mount it inside a custom acrylic case for display lol. Anyway, I was purchased a PM 6 incandescent for $30 when it came out from ( www.batterystation.com ) and when I lost that a little while later I had to find something to replace it. I had in mind a Streamlight TL-2. The SF G2 crossed my mind but didn't like the design back then. So I ended up just going all out and got the SF E2e, expensive yes, was it worht it, I feel so. Smallest 2 X CR123 I own and it holds it own, also near perfect beam.

Back to topic...

You obviously want lots of throw. The PM6 will beat the G2 in terms of throw. The beam quality of the PM6 will not be Surefire like but acceptable to me in a real world situation (ok, ok, lighting up trees near my dorm is close though.)

What are the weather conditions like when you will use the light. The Surefire G2 will be "easier" to handle because of the plastic/nylon it uses, and the PM6 might be a PIA (pain in the rear) because of the metal construction (as someone posted above.)

What LED lights do you have now?

As far as battery life goes, the two lights should offer more or less the same battery life, the PM6 might have a bit less due to higher output. Advertised run times seem to be inflated by certain companies (cough Pelican cough.) I know some forum members change batteries at the slightest hint of a dimming beams (sometimes 20-30 minutes long) and they then use these half used batteries in LED lights.

Batteries should not be a problem if you order in bulk from Surefire or Battery Station. At around $1 to $1.25 each they are pretty inexpensive compared to retail price. I have about 30 or so spare 123's around for usage. they have a 10 year shelf life and can endure temperature extremes unlike Alkalines which will more often than not stop working at cold temperatures.

I can not comment on the construction of the G2, but my SF E2e's construction is top notch. The threads are buttery smooth, milling and anodizing almost perfect (slight variation in HA on the head but it is normal for variations in color, performance is not affectge), and the feel oh so sensual (haha did I jsut say that?!?) IMHO. It feels good in my hands, I sometimes catch myself just admiring the light during lectures.

The Pelican M6 LED is a bit less refined, a little rough around the edges, but acceptable IMHO. After breaking it in (turning the head and tailcap) it seems good, liek a BMW or Mercedes Benz car, but the Surefire in my hands seems like a Rolls Royce.

The G2 and PM6 Incandescent both come with a plastic lens, which can we swapped out for a 29.1 mm UCL lens from www.flashlightlens.com .I recently ordered some lenses from them and they are waiting to be picked up at the mailroom (so a review and pictures of these lenses later in comparo to the stock PM6 LED lens.)

The price of the two as stated is roughly the same, G2 $34.00, PM6 incand. $32.00. The options on the G2 then really show. A KL3 LED head on the G2 can be added. Then again take a Pelican M6 LED, take out the reflector, spring, and unscrew the LED (keep it in a safe place), then pop in a incandescent head. The SF offers the SC1 spares carrier if you need an emergency kit to keep extra batteries and an extra bulb, you can also custom build on for the Pelican M6 from a Pelican micro case and some foam. SF G 2 can have a pouch, PM6 comes with one. Surefire offers a turbo head attachment, a rechargable conversion kit, and a high output lamp (expensive, scarce, and 20 minues of run time, I will stick to a P60 and when light calls, my Tigerlight comes out.)

So, aside from battery usage/supply, light characteristics, price and accesories; which one suites and you're needs and which one do you think is cool?

I will not make you're decision, its something you will have to do. Its not my money being spent and I am not the one using it. I will merely present the facts and figures for the lights and rant on forever and ever. Ok enough for now.

Good luck with choosing a light,
Jason

(gosh I have to stop drinking Dr. Pepper soda when I wake up.)
 
PM6 will absolutely out throw a G2. That said, I will always carry a G2 between the two choices.

G2 or any P60 Sf light will make more of a wall of light. I like the composite body MUCH better than an Aluminum body. My G2s have Garrity clickie switchs. I never found a good clickie option for my M6.

Your choice however!!!
 
SF G2 would certainley be my choice, I find the G2's beam to be of a higher quality & would suspect it's bulb is better protected to shock given the characteristics of the Nitrolon - absorbing shock rather than transfering as would be with the case with the Pelican.
 
go the surefire, not only can you convert it to AAA (AA?) batteries but ive seen somewhere turboheads and other acc's on a g2 body. and after all it looks so damn kool /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Lovecraft, that sounds interesting, tell me more about using alkalines with the G2.

GregR


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go the surefire, not only can you convert it to AAA (AA?) batteries but ive seen somewhere turboheads and other acc's on a g2 body. and after all it looks so damn kool /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Hello there!
Good question. I was happy to see a question like this posted. I own both the Pelican M-6 and the Sure Fire G2. I also have the Streamlight Scorpion. I would have to say that the Pelican M-6 is the winner between your 2 choices. Great construction, life time warranty, etc...

I like the G2 when I don't want to carry the weight of the Pelican, but I just can't say how pleased I am with the Pelican. It does throw a great beam, even better than the G2. With that being said, I am not knocking the G2, I am just saying PM6 has my vote for top dog.

Please note, however, withing the last 2 weeks, I had my PM6 turn itself on when I was re-holstering. (It has the twist-to-constant on, and I guess it was twisted too close to that point and came on when I reholstered.) Within a few minutes, it was hot enough for me to feel through the holster and through the shirt I was wearing. I thought I was on fire! So, it will heat up on you big time. Even saw a friend of mine start to melt the inside face of his sport watch with the PM6 using it to charge up the glowing hands!!

At any rate, both are great lights. But in a "if I had to choose one" situation, I would go with the Pelican. All you have to do now is choose black or silver.

Enjoy.
 
The only problem I have with the pelican is it has a really poor coating of the metal, considering on mine a lot of it has come off.
 
Thank you all. Now I can make easier choice! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif
 
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Greg said:
The only problem I have with the pelican is it has a really poor coating of the metal, considering on mine a lot of it has come off.

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What color is your m6? Black or Silver? How long and loughly did you use it? Does the color of coating and inner layer differ? Looks bad?
This must be a significant factor to my choice.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I have to agree on this.
My PM6 and PM6 LED, both black have very poor coating. The coating seems to come off pretty easily especially at the sharp edges. Some of the paint on the knurlings on my PM6 LED got stripped off too /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif


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Greg said:
The only problem I have with the pelican is it has a really poor coating of the metal, considering on mine a lot of it has come off.

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I bought G2 today, and I totally agree with those surefire admirers! Nice beam compared to other incan lights, tough, coolly designed, light weight, relatively small, and essencially, it throws dang far! Seems to throw about the same distance as my 6D with crypton bulb!!

Thank you all for good information and advice!
 
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maverick said:
Hey Joseph, did you buy it locally, and how much did you buy it for?

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Yes I bought it in Seoul Korea. I paid 58,000won which is about 48 USD. Reasonable for imported price.
 
I got my G2 and then before I could take pictures (ok i was a bit lazy), I gave away my G2 along with 6 Battery Station batteries and extra P60 in a SC1 to a relative.

I gave it to her for several reasons. This was my first time visiting her new house since she moved in (house warming gift) and I did not have a need for the G2. Blew away the one flashlight she had in the house in light output, size and weight. I will now look for a KL3 for her light.

My views on the G2. It lacks a Lock Out function on the tailcap. This is a big factor for me. I do not like flashlights that can not lock out because I carry them around with me often. I don't need a lens melting or batteries run down due to being turned on in my bag or pocket.

Now the good of the G2, the beam is perfect ala SF. the flashlight is lightweight, and output/size ratio is nice. There are also a lot of accessories, like the extra lamp and 6 batteries that fit nicely into a spares carrier. its polymer so it will handle bette rin cold weather.

The lexan lens on the G2 is also up in the air. I would swap it out for a UCL but I want something durable so Lexan has the edge because it won't shatter.

The G2 is about the same thickness of the Pelican M6 but shorter.

IMHO the G2 and the Pelican M6 can't match the SF E2e in terms of EDC, size, and output.
 
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