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prime77 said:
I'll have to try the oil trick. I looked for the stuff that was already rough but all could find was the clear version. So I had to rough it up myself.
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If you want to find "rougher" stuff, then maybe find and try the ANTI GLARE screen protectors for iphones and such. They are easy to put on and take off. you could probably make a couple of these flood beams for various lights off one purchase. Most of the ones I have seen are decently thick and does not use adhesives.
 
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I wonder what the chances are of surefire selling the head only. KX2C v.2. Would love one in black for my E2E.
 
homaygedd prime! once again, you are messing up my mind with those beamshots & that tree, that tree!

I said, good, it doesn't sound like much of a difference with the E2DL.
grrr.
I guess not!

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Bullzeyebill said:
I can see RWT1405's point. I myself was sad to see that SF was going to give up the nice spill beam of the Lux V L4 (KL4), and likewise the similar beam shape of the L2, great room sweepers with no real defined overly bright hotspot to distract you. No need to add a beam shaper, they did not need them. The new L4 and LX2 are not the replacement for the Lux V L4 and L2, and are really a different kinds of light, and they should never be considered the new L4's and L2's.
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You have a very good point, I would agree that the older L2 filled a niche that SF is departing with the LX2. While I'm not a fan of my L2 and really like the SF TIR optics, I do question having most of SF's product line in this area nearly all TIR's. Their TIR with such minimal spill is actually a pretty specialized configuration.
 
Received LX2 today. Using light meter, crude integrating box and Ra Clicky 140Cn as reference lumen level, I found my E2DL generates 163 lumens on high/8 on low while the LX2 generates 233 lumens on high and 19 on low.

I realize there are lots of sources for potential error but I think these are in the ballpark.

Regards,

Tony
 
RWT1405 said:
Blindasabat, perhaps I can explain to you why I want/need a "floody" light.

I am a Paramedic, who works all night works. For me, the "old" L2 is almost perfect. For pt. care, the low setting on the L2 is what I need, as it allows me to work, starting IV's, drawing up meds, working a "code", etc.. The worst thing that happens is that someone trying to be "helpful" points an all "spot" 100 lmn. (+) light at me or at my pt., as I am now "blind" and/or can see nothing where they have the light pointed.

I also like the "old" L2 for when I'm walking up to a house/ etc. and have the low setting on, to be able to see where I'm going w/o drawing a lot of attention to myself. BUT if I need more light, the HIGH setting is just an extra push away.

I also carry a SF G2 w/ a Malkoff M60L (when I need a little more "reach") & have available to me a dept. issue SL-20, when I want/need it. I hope this helps you understand what I want/need in a light.

As always, My .02 FWIW YMMV
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I just had Milkyspit turn a Surefire L2 into a two stage 10 low, 700 lumen high light that practically lights up my entire back yard at 40 feet. Bright and huge. Its like a NT 120 except if the brightest spot in the NT at 40 feet was 25-36 square feet, the Milkyspit was 750-1000 square feet. I had a friend of mine shine his L2 in the back yard, then I turned mine on. He asked that I never do that again. LOL.

Cankster
 
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cankster said:
I just had Milkyspit turn a Surefire L2 into a two stage 10 low, 700 lumen high light that practically lights up my entire back yard at 40 feet. Bright and huge. Its like a NT 120 except if the brightest spot in the NT at 40 feet was 25-36 square feet, the Milkyspit was 750-1000 square feet. I had a friend of mine shine his L2 in the back yard, then I turned mine on. He asked that I never do that again. LOL.

Cankster
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700 Lumens flood light? 😀 Do I sense some jealousy there? :devil:
 
Sean, we need one of your run time graphs for the LX2.

Bill

Just found your runtime in other thread.
 
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OK, OK. 😛

After a few days of EDC, the clip has held sturdy in Jeans, slacks, and Khakis. :twothumbs

Can this thing thorw a beam of big white light or what?! 😎
 
Kestrel said:
You have a very good point, I would agree that the older L2 filled a niche that SF is departing with the LX2. While I'm not a fan of my L2 and really like the SF TIR optics, I do question having most of SF's product line in this area nearly all TIR's. Their TIR with such minimal spill is actually a pretty specialized configuration.
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it's hilarious to see people complain about the the tight beam pattern of the TIRs.

It ain't rocket science people, you can get a nice spill with huge hotspot with a Diffuser on the LX2, but you can't get a tight beam with an L2 lux V.

the option is there, use it. The FM04 only costs like 12 bucks.
 
270winchester said:
it's hilarious to see people complain about the the tight beam pattern of the TIRs.

It ain't rocket science people, you can get a nice spill with huge hotspot with a Diffuser on the LX2, but you can't get a tight beam with an L2 lux V.

the option is there, use it. The FM04 only costs like 12 bucks.
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Hey, I'm not complaining, I like the TIR's. And I rather dislike my floody, greenish-tinted L2. However, I think it would at least make some sense to at least keep one 'flooder' in the SF lineup. How many TIR's do they have in their lineup now? It's like, the only real difference between most of their one & two cell E-series & L-series 'Cree' lights are their output levels...:shrug: There's so much product overlap in their current lineup it's just :crazy:.

If SF thought that anybody had an actual use for a floody beam like the FM04 would provide, perhaps they should package it with one of their lights (something like what SF is offering with their new G3-fluorescent package with the included diffusers). Instead, they promote the TIR in the:

L1
L2X
E1B
E2DL
etc
etc
etc
etc...

Heck, I'm in engineering, not marketing. But if a company is making over a dozen top-quality light models, filling every niche that they can think of with CR123 multi-level wonderlights, why drop the 'flooder' niche completely, but offer more TIR throwers than I can count?

I have a flip-up red filter for my C3 (particularly because I value having an additional lower level that doesn't blind me during close-quarter work), but how often do I have it on my light? Pretty much never, as I don't like my lights to get any fatter around the fattest point already, and dislike having bolt-ons, flip-ups, etc on my working tools.

I don't know... I agree that this new light looks great, but Bill is right on when he wonders why the multi-level 'flood' niche is getting dropped. It's not like SF needs more TIR throwers than they already have....

OK, end rant. I love SF's but I also know that the faithful doesn't like dissent in the ranks...
 
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Kestrel said:
Hey, I'm not complaining, I like the TIR's. And I dislike my floody, greenish L2. However, I think it would at least make some sense to at least keep one 'flooder' in the SF lineup. How many TIR's do they have in their lineup now? It's like, the only real difference between most of their one & two cell E-series & L-series 'Cree' lights are their output levels...:shrug: There's so much product overlap in their current lineup it's just :crazy:.
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Isn't the new L4 a flood light? It's more a flood light than if it had a TIR. And the Titan T1A is certainly a flood light.
 
a comparable flood light is easily achievable with a diffuser lens, but Surefire most likely doesn't see that to be their effort to build a dedicated flood light when they can just offer the diffuser cap.

It wouldn't be too difficult to offer a light in the LX2 format with a diffusing lens or a sputtered reflector, but the actual market demand is, I suspect, too small to warrant a different model.

Kestrel said:
Hey, I'm not complaining, I like the TIR's. And I dislike my floody, greenish L2. However, I think it would at least make some sense to at least keep one 'flooder' in the SF lineup. How many TIR's do they have in their lineup now? It's like, the only real difference between most of their one & two cell E-series & L-series 'Cree' lights are their output levels...:shrug: There's so much product overlap in their current lineup it's just :crazy:.
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The L4 could be satisfactory in that regard, but isn't it a single-level? The multiple-output-level E-series and L-series are all TIR's now, aren't they?:shrug:

And regarding customer awareness of the FM04, when was the last time anyone noticed it being promoted on their website? Or seeing an FM04 in a SF display case in a store? Of the few people I know of who are aware of SureFire outside of CPF, how many know about the possibility of a diffuser? Zero. It's like keeping potential customers in the dark is one of SF's missions...

Maybe the new Aviator will fill this niche, I don't know. Reading tea leaves and bugging Size15 are about the only ways to figure out where SF is trying to go.

Anyway, I think I'm going OT here...

OK. Drinking a beer. Yes, the LX2 looks wonderful. Truly the best LED light SF has ever made. Near perfection. Yes, I want one. OK.
 
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Yeah i agree that the P60L lights are.
When i got my 6PDL (first SF), one of the reasons i loved it so much, was the fact that it was so different to my other lights (Tk11's etc).

I liked the floodier, lower output of it

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The niceness about the Lux V flood type lights is there is no real defined hotspot that you notice. Yes, the P60L has a wide spread of light but not like the KL4 or A2 type of spread with the nice smooth transition from center beam to edge. No real "hot spot" of any note, but of course brighter in the center than edge.

Bill
 
cankster said:
I just had Milkyspit turn a Surefire L2 into a two stage 10 low, 700 lumen high light that practically lights up my entire back yard at 40 feet. Bright and huge. Its like a NT 120 except if the brightest spot in the NT at 40 feet was 25-36 square feet, the Milkyspit was 750-1000 square feet. I had a friend of mine shine his L2 in the back yard, then I turned mine on. He asked that I never do that again. LOL.

Cankster
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But if the SF lights are so good why modify them? Aren't there other brands that would be as bright as your mod out of the box? Once you modify the SF it really isn't a SF any more. Is it the reflector or the clicky or the tube that is so superior?

I'm not trying to be provocative. I just want to understand. It seems everybody agrees SF is the best...and then they can't wait to modify them into something ELSE?

Is the LX2 good enough so that there is no point in adding a drop in to make it better?
 
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