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l2icel3all said:
Its an error. The high output is only 120 not 200 lumens. Expect it to be corrected in the near future to 120 lumens. Sorry to burst your bubbles guys.....:caution::sssh:
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Not angry at you. Angry at Surefire for such a ridiculous error. Also, I know your info. is (sadly) accurate. BTW, I was at a certain place last week. Didn't see any LX2 models. Would you happen to know if that certain place is getting them in stock by the end of the month?
 
Monocrom said:
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Not angry at you. Angry at Surefire for such a ridiculous error. Also, I know your info. is (sadly) accurate. BTW, I was at a certain place last week. Didn't see any LX2 models. Would you happen to know if that certain place is getting them in stock by the end of the month?
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If I am correct it's about 2.27 am there in NYC. What are you, a flashaholic or what?
 
iapyx said:
If I am correct it's about 2.27 am there in NYC. What are you, a flashaholic or what?
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It's nearly 4:30am. :grin2:

I'm a flashaholic, and I'm working 2nd shift for now. So I don't have to be at work until 11 1/2 hours from now. I'm a night owl anyway, so it kinda works out.
 
This is pretty funny. 120 lumens, no 200 lumens, no 120 lumens. :popcorn: I'm atually laughing as I'm typing this. I'm hoping it's 200 Surefire Lumens which would be around 300-350 emitter lumens, but I just don't see how that's possible. Guess I'll know for sure Thursday.

Bill
 
I'm just amused by the fact that while Surefire quality control of their product is excellent, the ad copy is decidedly less regulated.

-Trevor
 
l2icel3all said:
Its an error. The high output is only 120 not 200 lumens. Expect it to be corrected in the near future to 120 lumens. Sorry to burst your bubbles guys.....:caution::sssh:
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It is not going to be corrected. I talked to Surefire. It will be rated at 200 lumens not 120. At least if you want to believe there technical support. It seems it could be 200 lumens OTF and not Surefires normally under rated lumens. But Surefire says they will be at least 200 lumens out the front.

Cankster
 
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cankster said:
It is not going to be corrected. I talked to Surefire. It will be rated at 200 lumens not 120. At least if you want to believe there technical support. It seems it could be 200 lumens OTF and not Surefires normally under rated lumens. But Surefire says they will be at least 200 lumens out the front.

Cankster
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Sounds good to me. Makes sense too since some E2DL's actually put out 200+ lumens OTF we know they can do it. Now at least with the LX2 it will be like landing a rare 200 lumen E2DL everytime instead of the average 160 or so lumens they usually put out.
 
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Monocrom said:
😡

Not angry at you. Angry at Surefire for such a ridiculous error. Also, I know your info. is (sadly) accurate. BTW, I was at a certain place last week. Didn't see any LX2 models. Would you happen to know if that certain place is getting them in stock by the end of the month?
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I'm new to the forum. Looks like a enthusiastic bunch!

I've been a pseudo-flashlight nut for a while now, collecting a number of Streamlight Stingers (XTHP, Ultra) and Scorpions.

I just recently caught the bug after a friend showed me his small Surefire compared to my (not so shabby) Scorpion. Now I can't get enough lumens.

I thought I'd start with a Xenon light, as I still wasn't convinced about LEDs. I got a Pila GL4 with the 550 lumen bulb and the Codex module. 4xCR123 light, huge, and fairly bright. Surprisingly well made and solid. Had to make a shim for the oversized battery compartment (for rechargables) as I only plan to use primaries for now. I picked up a good deal on 100 of the Streamlight CR123A, dated 4/09, so I should be good for a while. :huh:

The Pila is a decent light, big, heavy, nice as a club if needed.

Unfortunately the run time on 4 x CR123s is only rated at 40 minutes, and they caution about running it more that 5 minutes because of the batteries overheating. Perhaps someone could edumacate me on this? I assume because the lamp pulls several amps that the batteries discharge faster than designed and thus overheat?

Oh well, it was noticably brighter than my Stinger XTHP, but not overwhelmingly so. Far better reach, cleaner center spot, and a nice wide peripheral circle. Not bad for the $$$.

Next I got a E1B Backup, and I was amazed at just how much light you can get from an LED with 1 CR123. WOW! The wife quickly snagged that one. I picked up a couple of F04 diffusers for use in the house.

I then got a E2DL. WOW what a light! Obviously brighter than the E1B, but in white wall comparisons it was hard to compare to the Pila because of the major tint differences. The Pila is much warmer than the E2DL, obviously because of the incan vs. LED. But to my eyes the Pila is still maybe 20% brighter? It's not so tightly focused as the E2DL, which makes it hard to do an apples to apples comparison. I was very surprised, as I thought I was comparing the Pila at 550 lumens to the E2DL at 120 lumens which should have been a night and day (excuse the pun) difference.

Only complaints with the E2DL: 1) bezel up carry, and 2) have to go through high to get to low. #2 is not appreciated by the wife when I'm trying to find something in the middle of the night and light up the whole room while she's trying to sleep. 🙁

So back on topic here: I took the plunge yesterday and ordered the LX2 from Brightguy. He expects to get them in on Thursday and so I should have it in my grubby hands on Friday.

I've already learned that lumens are a poorly rated thing, at least from manufacturer's ratings. However, I'm really looking forward to the LX2 having a 200 lumen high, that is to say, noticably brighter than the E2DL. I hope I'm not disappointed. Here's the data points I have on what the LX2 actually puts out (having not seen one yet):

1) Surefire's web site says 200 lumens
2) Surefire's flash demo says 200 lumens
3) I'm told the 2009 catalog (printed last year?) says 120 lumens
4) Surefire customer support says 120 lumens when called
5) Brightguy.com says 200 lumens, both on his web site and on the phone

So, I'd be glad to do some testing on Friday night if anyone's interested.

I have a nice D-SLR (Canon 1D-MkII) that I can set for a fixed exposure and thus eliminate any differences in the camera compensating for light levels.

What should I be comparing? E2DL vs. LX2 vs. E1B vs. Pila vs. Scorpion vs. Stinger XTHP? What backdrop? Garaga door, the woods, some far away reflective object?

I'm getting the LX2 for 1) the rated output of 200 lumens(?), 2) the low to high switch, 3) the bezel down carry, 4) can use CR123s, 5) can use F04 diffuser, and not least of all 6) Surefire's excellent build quality and reputation (in my short time with their products.)

Any advice to a newb like me just getting started in the hobby?

Thanks all!

Stephen
 
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Monocrom said:
Keep in mind that there's another benefit as well. If you somehow damage the tailcap on your A2, for example; you don't have to hunt down a tailcap that's specific for the A2...
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I may not remember correctly, but I thought JS's excellent article on the A2 stated the A2's tailcap was unlike any other SF tailcap because it had a regulator for the main (incandescent) bulb. To keep people from putting this regulated tail switch on an E or L series light, the tailcap threads for the A2 are different. Putting the regulator in the tailcap seems a little odd, but there is certainly no room for it in the head (as designed). See http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=107943 to check my understanding. :thinking:

Other than that little detail, I would expect exactly what you state. Any E/L series 2-stage tailcap should work on any other.

Shalom,
Steve
 
smflorkey said:
I may not remember correctly, but I thought JS's excellent article on the A2 stated the A2's tailcap was unlike any other SF tailcap because it had a regulator for the main (incandescent) bulb. To keep people from putting this regulated tail switch on an E or L series light, the tailcap threads for the A2 are different. Putting the regulator in the tailcap seems a little odd, but there is certainly no room for it in the head (as designed). See http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=107943 to check my understanding. :thinking:

Other than that little detail, I would expect exactly what you state. Any E/L series 2-stage tailcap should work on any other.

Shalom,
Steve
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Your memory is slightly incorrect - there is a resistor in the tail, the regulator is in the body. But it still doesn't fit anything else :thumbsup:.
 
cankster said:
Ummm. Surefire says that it will be at least 200 lumens out the front.

Cankster
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Umm. and im a real ninja warrior from feudal japan, under the peasant name AKimaka shodokaka...and i drink sake all day..and i use to be the ruler of all of the east...

im also the inventor of fire. :candle:

well..with that said, you cant always believe what you hear..until you see it for sure..
 
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skfurr said:
I'm new to the forum. Looks like a enthusiastic bunch!

I've been a pseudo-flashlight nut for a while now, collecting a number of Streamlight Stingers (XTHP, Ultra) and Scorpions.

I just recently caught the bug after a friend showed me his small Surefire compared to my (not so shabby) Scorpion. Now I can't get enough lumens.

I thought I'd start with a Xenon light, as I still wasn't convinced about LEDs. I got a Pila GL4 with the 550 lumen bulb and the Codex module. 4xCR123 light, huge, and fairly bright. Surprisingly well made and solid. Had to make a shim for the oversized battery compartment (for rechargables) as I only plan to use primaries for now. I picked up a good deal on 100 of the Streamlight CR123A, dated 4/09, so I should be good for a while. :huh:

The Pila is a decent light, big, heavy, nice as a club if needed.

Unfortunately the run time on 4 x CR123s is only rated at 40 minutes, and they caution about running it more that 5 minutes because of the batteries overheating. Perhaps someone could edumacate me on this? I assume because the lamp pulls several amps that the batteries discharge faster than designed and thus overheat?

Oh well, it was noticably brighter than my Stinger XTHP, but not overwhelmingly so. Far better reach, cleaner center spot, and a nice wide peripheral circle. Not bad for the $$$.

Next I got a E1B Backup, and I was amazed at just how much light you can get from an LED with 1 CR123. WOW! The wife quickly snagged that one. I picked up a couple of F04 diffusers for use in the house.

I then got a E2DL. WOW what a light! Obviously brighter than the E1B, but in white wall comparisons it was hard to compare to the Pila because of the major tint differences. The Pila is much warmer than the E2DL, obviously because of the incan vs. LED. But to my eyes the Pila is still maybe 20% brighter? It's not so tightly focused as the E2DL, which makes it hard to do an apples to apples comparison. I was very surprised, as I thought I was comparing the Pila at 550 lumens to the E2DL at 120 lumens which should have been a night and day (excuse the pun) difference.

Only complaints with the E2DL: 1) bezel up carry, and 2) have to go through high to get to low. #2 is not appreciated by the wife when I'm trying to find something in the middle of the night and light up the whole room while she's trying to sleep. 🙁

So back on topic here: I took the plunge yesterday and ordered the LX2 from Brightguy. He expects to get them in on Thursday and so I should have it in my grubby hands on Friday.

I've already learned that lumens are a poorly rated thing, at least from manufacturer's ratings. However, I'm really looking forward to the LX2 having a 200 lumen high, that is to say, noticably brighter than the E2DL. I hope I'm not disappointed. Here's the data points I have on what the LX2 actually puts out (having not seen one yet):

1) Surefire's web site says 200 lumens
2) Surefire's flash demo says 200 lumens
3) I'm told the 2009 catalog (printed last year?) says 120 lumens
4) Surefire customer support says 120 lumens when called
5) Brightguy.com says 200 lumens, both on his web site and on the phone

So, I'd be glad to do some testing on Friday night if anyone's interested.

I have a nice D-SLR (Canon 1D-MkII) that I can set for a fixed exposure and thus eliminate any differences in the camera compensating for light levels.

What should I be comparing? E2DL vs. LX2 vs. E1B vs. Pila vs. Scorpion vs. Stinger XTHP? What backdrop? Garaga door, the woods, some far away reflective object?

I'm getting the LX2 for 1) the rated output of 200 lumens(?), 2) the low to high switch, 3) the bezel down carry, 4) can use CR123s, 5) can use F04 diffuser, and not least of all 6) Surefire's excellent build quality and reputation (in my short time with their products.)

Any advice to a newb like me just getting started in the hobby?

Thanks all!

Stephen
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Awesome first post. :welcome:

I'm looking forward to the LX2 as well. I love my old and new L1s and would love to have the same switch on a 2 cell light.

By the way, you don't have a 'nice' camera - you have an awesome camera. I've got a baby (real baby, my first daughter) on the way and have just started to think about what DSLR I should get. Going through the routine Canon vs. Nikon process. (I've owned both in film format but my only digital has been two Canon Digital ELPHs.)

The issue with heat is that LiON batteries can become dangerous when overheated...they basically explode. The heat is primarily caused by the bulb, but maybe the batteries also generate heat as they discharge. There are lots of posts about the dangers of LiONs elsewhere on CPF.
 
ninjaboigt said:
Umm. and im a real ninja warrior from feudal japan, under the peasant name AKimaka shodokaka...and i drink sake all day..and i use to be the ruler of all of the east...

im also the inventor of fire. :candle:

well..with that said, you cant always believe what you hear..until you see it for sure..
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So you don't believe in what SureFire says when it comes to output? Do you even read CPF threads at all?
 
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