Glow Bug
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Could you order just the tube without the head or is it made not to come off? I like the idea.
SureFire M1 and KL1. Would it Work?
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I just had to toss this idea out here because it might be a possibility, and I would be the first in line. I personally prefer the design of the M1 over the E1x. For those not familiar with the M1, it is SF's single 123 infrared LED light.
I posted the question of compatability to the SureFire discussion board a couple of weeks ago. Al and Shelby were kind enough to respond but we don't really have a definitive answer as the head of Shelby's M1 is glued on. There may be other issues as well, we just don't know for sure. I think the M1 and KL1 were made for each other(four grip rings on M1, four cooling rings on KL1), and hope somebody out there with the wherewithal will find out. Would the body be available alone on this model? What do you think about this mating?
M1 pic from Surefire site. Pretty E1E with KL1 shot is Shelby's.
Thanks,
Jim
Size15's
Flashaholic
The KL1 will NOT fit on the M1.
The M1 is glued together as standard.
The TailCap is the only opening.
Al
The M1 is glued together as standard.
The TailCap is the only opening.
Al
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WHY won't it fit?
I KNOW it is glued.
I know that Too.
Jim
I KNOW it is glued.
I know that Too.
Jim
Size15's
Flashaholic
It will not fit because the M1 is permanently bonded and therefore not intended to be taken apart.
If you would like to try to take an M1 apart to see if the threads match, and if so, find out whether the KL1 will actually work, then that's up to you.
The base part number for the M1 body is 14038. I suggest you call SureFire to see if they can supply you with the M1 body on it's own.
Although I find the PocketClip of the E1e+KL1 vital for EDC, I do think the M1 body with the KL1 Bezel if they mated properly would look pretty cool.
Please let us know if you try to order the M1 body.
Regards,
Al
If you would like to try to take an M1 apart to see if the threads match, and if so, find out whether the KL1 will actually work, then that's up to you.
The base part number for the M1 body is 14038. I suggest you call SureFire to see if they can supply you with the M1 body on it's own.
Although I find the PocketClip of the E1e+KL1 vital for EDC, I do think the M1 body with the KL1 Bezel if they mated properly would look pretty cool.
Please let us know if you try to order the M1 body.
Regards,
Al
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Now you are with me.
Sorry if I wasn't clear to begin with.
If I can find out from SureFire that the M1 body and KL1 head mate, and they will sell me just a body, hopefully anodized before assembly to M1 head, then I am definitely going to try to be the first on my block with the MKL1!
If they say they fit, but won't sell me a body, I'm riding my bike down to Fountain Valley and chaining myself to the front doors until they do! I suppose I could also try PG's solution and drop the M1 in boiling water.
If it doesn't fit, then of course I must aquit! A little L.A. humor there. Thanks Al for the part #. I'll call them Monday and keep you and Glow Bug posted.
Jim
If I can find out from SureFire that the M1 body and KL1 head mate, and they will sell me just a body, hopefully anodized before assembly to M1 head, then I am definitely going to try to be the first on my block with the MKL1!
If they say they fit, but won't sell me a body, I'm riding my bike down to Fountain Valley and chaining myself to the front doors until they do! I suppose I could also try PG's solution and drop the M1 in boiling water.
If it doesn't fit, then of course I must aquit! A little L.A. humor there. Thanks Al for the part #. I'll call them Monday and keep you and Glow Bug posted.
Jim
Glow Bug
Enlightened
Thanks galavanter. I really like mine
Question:
Is the tailcap on the M1 a Mx size cap? I have always wanted to do something with the M1 as well, I agree with Galavanter in terms of looks. I have a bad feeling that the thread diameter will be larger than the Ex bezel thread. Looking at the picture, it's a good chance that the thread will be the same diameter as the tail piece. I hope I'm wrong!!
GlowBug,
How about a Z48 clickie on there
- Don
Is the tailcap on the M1 a Mx size cap? I have always wanted to do something with the M1 as well, I agree with Galavanter in terms of looks. I have a bad feeling that the thread diameter will be larger than the Ex bezel thread. Looking at the picture, it's a good chance that the thread will be the same diameter as the tail piece. I hope I'm wrong!!
GlowBug,
How about a Z48 clickie on there
- Don
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It does look like you are right about the cap. If SF's comparison chart is done to scale, they sure look to be the same size. Al had linked a pic for me on the SF forum from PK's site showing the M1 prior to assembly, bare body sans o-rings and all. Wish I had downloaded it.
Glow Bug that is quite nice but if you are going to morph the two then for heaven's sake morph them correctly. Please get rid of that piece behind the hex ring with the writing on it. I do believe that is part of the ir head. Thank you very much.<ahem>
Jim
Glow Bug that is quite nice but if you are going to morph the two then for heaven's sake morph them correctly. Please get rid of that piece behind the hex ring with the writing on it. I do believe that is part of the ir head. Thank you very much.<ahem>
Jim
Glow Bug
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Sue ME!Originally posted by galavanter:
Glow Bug that is quite nice but if you are going to morph the two then for heaven's sake morph them correctly. Please get rid of that piece behind the hex ring with the writing on it. I do believe that is part of the ir head. Thank you very much.<ahem>
Jim
Sorry. I was tired.
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That's quite all right. It may be as close as we are going to get to the real thing.
Glow Bug
Enlightened
Hope not. Time will tell.
Darell
Flashaholic
That's the M1.5KL - Anybody can see that.
At least we'll have the KL1s in our hands shortly...
At least we'll have the KL1s in our hands shortly...
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You called it McGizmo. I just got off the phone with SureFire and was told the M1 thread is 1" instead of the 7/8" on the E series. No go. Well it was a fun thread anyway. Like darell says, we'll have the KL1 soon, so who cares!
Jim
Jim
Long time lurker, first time poster.
If the M1 has 1" threads and the E series have 7/8" threads, why not machine the threads down on the M1 body to take the KL1 head? It would eliminate the need for an adapter but would ruin an M1 body.
With the E1E, you don't need to do this other than looks, but I'm all about looks...
Just a thought.
If the M1 has 1" threads and the E series have 7/8" threads, why not machine the threads down on the M1 body to take the KL1 head? It would eliminate the need for an adapter but would ruin an M1 body.
With the E1E, you don't need to do this other than looks, but I'm all about looks...
Just a thought.
BradN,
Assuming that the battery tube does infact have male threads and that the wall thickness of the tube is sufficient, I believe your proposal is possible. These are assumptions and I discount what Galavanter was told by the SF rep since they took some liberty with the threads called out; at least in respect to the Ex series. The heat to tube threads on the Ex is 13/16"x20 and not 7/8". Not a big deal in general description but certainly a big deal if you want paarts to actually fit!
It is also quite possible that the battery position in the tube could yield a mis-match when trying to make contact with ground and anode post on the KL1.
Throw the Z48 and a lanyard ring on the M1 body with a KL1 and you would have a cool looking light!
I think I'll pop for a M1 body, I have all the other parts and I'll give it a look see. This is of course depending on availability of the body.............. I've been backordered on some E2e bodies which kind of surprised me.
- Don
Assuming that the battery tube does infact have male threads and that the wall thickness of the tube is sufficient, I believe your proposal is possible. These are assumptions and I discount what Galavanter was told by the SF rep since they took some liberty with the threads called out; at least in respect to the Ex series. The heat to tube threads on the Ex is 13/16"x20 and not 7/8". Not a big deal in general description but certainly a big deal if you want paarts to actually fit!
It is also quite possible that the battery position in the tube could yield a mis-match when trying to make contact with ground and anode post on the KL1.
Throw the Z48 and a lanyard ring on the M1 body with a KL1 and you would have a cool looking light!
I think I'll pop for a M1 body, I have all the other parts and I'll give it a look see. This is of course depending on availability of the body.............. I've been backordered on some E2e bodies which kind of surprised me.
- Don
I just got off the phone with SF and the M1 is available complete only! I had called last week and placed an order on the E2e bodies as mentioned above and I asked a follow up on ETA while on the phone. I was told that this order didn't exist and that SureFire will no longer sell the bodies seperately. I told Maureen that I was under the impression that I had a BO on file and she said no. I was just trying to get the battery tube only; no tail cap parts, no O-rings and on pocket clip. Nope, can't buy the tube by itself anymore!
I don't blame the SF parts department for being unhappy about being overwhelmed by calls for bodies only, but marketing brought it upon themselves by not offering the KLx in complete flashlight packages. Maureen said it was unrealistic for customers to assume that SF would be willing to put together orders from all the components needed to build a complete flashlight. I pointed out that if SF offered a complete flashlight to start with, this wouldn't be happening!
She replied that SF would be offering a complete flashlight, the A2 in the future. I decided that trying to explain how the KLx series and the A2 are different kettles of fish would be counter productive. Arghhhhhhhh!!!
Bottom line: now due to a situation of their own making, SureFire's parts department is no longer offering certain parts for sale. Duh!
Don't get me wrong, Maureen and all the folks I have spoken with at SF are very cordial and they don't make the rules. The fact that the L1 and L2 are still very much vaporware and don't constitute a completed KLx flashlight doesn't seem to be a factor here. I believe the KLx series needs to be viewed as intended by SF; an option for an existing surefire flashlight; just like the HOLA's, Clickie switches and Turbo kits. I can live with this. I understand this. If SF doesn't think that any of the KLx is worthy of being offered as a complete, stand alone flashlight, it's their call. I do feel that it is very unfortunate that as a result of their product offerings, certain parts are now no longer available; regardless of price. If they continue in this direction, at some point I can see a clever dealer buying complete SF flashlights and parting them out at highly inflated prices and yet below the cost of a complete flashlight:
E1e bezel assy. complete with LA - $40.00
E1e body complete but lacking above - $40.00
Both of these prices would be paid if you needed just the bezel or the body; still cheaper than buying the complete unit. Only problem here is that in the current climate, a dealer would end up with a bunch of E1e bezel assy.'s
Ah, the mysteries of SureFire. At least they can't close CPF down.
- Don
Al, should I post the lower portion of this in the thread: Is SureFire going down hill? or can it remain here?
PS. I would like to make one final observation in the defense of SureFire. Catering to goofy modders is labor intensive and doesn't amount to any significant revenue stream I would suspect. It may well be that it is in everyone's better interest for certain assemblies and components to be sourced outside of SureFire from a third party or small mfg. I take it as a healthy sign when a manufacturer can turn down fringe business. Of course in lean times, this can bite you in the A$$.
I don't blame the SF parts department for being unhappy about being overwhelmed by calls for bodies only, but marketing brought it upon themselves by not offering the KLx in complete flashlight packages. Maureen said it was unrealistic for customers to assume that SF would be willing to put together orders from all the components needed to build a complete flashlight. I pointed out that if SF offered a complete flashlight to start with, this wouldn't be happening!
She replied that SF would be offering a complete flashlight, the A2 in the future. I decided that trying to explain how the KLx series and the A2 are different kettles of fish would be counter productive. Arghhhhhhhh!!!
Bottom line: now due to a situation of their own making, SureFire's parts department is no longer offering certain parts for sale. Duh!
Don't get me wrong, Maureen and all the folks I have spoken with at SF are very cordial and they don't make the rules. The fact that the L1 and L2 are still very much vaporware and don't constitute a completed KLx flashlight doesn't seem to be a factor here. I believe the KLx series needs to be viewed as intended by SF; an option for an existing surefire flashlight; just like the HOLA's, Clickie switches and Turbo kits. I can live with this. I understand this. If SF doesn't think that any of the KLx is worthy of being offered as a complete, stand alone flashlight, it's their call. I do feel that it is very unfortunate that as a result of their product offerings, certain parts are now no longer available; regardless of price. If they continue in this direction, at some point I can see a clever dealer buying complete SF flashlights and parting them out at highly inflated prices and yet below the cost of a complete flashlight:
E1e bezel assy. complete with LA - $40.00
E1e body complete but lacking above - $40.00
Both of these prices would be paid if you needed just the bezel or the body; still cheaper than buying the complete unit. Only problem here is that in the current climate, a dealer would end up with a bunch of E1e bezel assy.'s
Ah, the mysteries of SureFire. At least they can't close CPF down.
- Don
Al, should I post the lower portion of this in the thread: Is SureFire going down hill? or can it remain here?
PS. I would like to make one final observation in the defense of SureFire. Catering to goofy modders is labor intensive and doesn't amount to any significant revenue stream I would suspect. It may well be that it is in everyone's better interest for certain assemblies and components to be sourced outside of SureFire from a third party or small mfg. I take it as a healthy sign when a manufacturer can turn down fringe business. Of course in lean times, this can bite you in the A$$.
Size15's
Flashaholic
It can stay here Don. I'm happy with you updating this thread. Thanks.
BTW, just because I'm watching your like a cat does a laser dot, what makes you think you have to justify your actions to me? Go on, what?!
Regarding how busy SureFire is, I have word from some friends that Her Majesty's Forces in the Middle-east may not be home for Christmas after all. So based on that, SureFire is likely to be proving US Armed Forces with WeaponLights for sometime...
Al
BTW, just because I'm watching your like a cat does a laser dot, what makes you think you have to justify your actions to me? Go on, what?!
Regarding how busy SureFire is, I have word from some friends that Her Majesty's Forces in the Middle-east may not be home for Christmas after all. So based on that, SureFire is likely to be proving US Armed Forces with WeaponLights for sometime...
Al
McGizmo.
Sorry, that's what I meant my machining new threads. I'm a machinist (build custom paintball guns) and tend to get ahead of myself when I get to explaining new ideas.
The light would be neat looking if the parts could be had...oh well.
Sorry, that's what I meant my machining new threads. I'm a machinist (build custom paintball guns) and tend to get ahead of myself when I get to explaining new ideas.
The light would be neat looking if the parts could be had...oh well.
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