Surefire M2 Centurion head
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Do you still have any M2-HA bezel left for sale?Quick update. Here's a comparison shot with popular bezels:
I found a reliable source of type II black M2 bezels, but gave up trying to find HA black, so I'm making my own.
ElectronGuru
Flashaholic
Man, there are so many layers to your understanding, I'm going to have to study your answer! :thanks:
Sorry, no. I got the specific gray HA used in the photo along with a complete M2 light (which I will eventually bore).
I've been able to source only the black (type II) ones individually.
But I love these bezels and am not giving up!
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ElectronGuru
Flashaholic
Follow up question:
So "Millennium" suggests C to M adaptor, but the threads look to small.
Are there any common bodies or body series that LU60 collars work with?
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nzgunnie
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The LU60 is for the M95X light, which has C type threads, as it uses an M2 head. Just like the M2 is a Millenium series light, but has the C type threads.
As for the second part of your question, I think the LU60 collars work with U2/K2 bodies.
Size15's
Flashaholic
In simplistic terms one of the things that differentiates WeaponLights from handhelds is that handhelds have bezels & bodies whereas WeaponLights have Lamp Modules and Housings.
(Lamp Modules can feature a bezel, or even be a bezel in certain circumstances)
So taking the "M2" as an example of a handheld:
It features a bezel, lamp assembly and body + TailCap.
It's WeaponLight counterpart is the M95
Note that there is no need to use an "X" as in M95X unless you are going to explain what X can stand for. In which case it would be a small "x" as in M95x where "x" is
1 = Dual Thumbscrew Rail Mount (M49)
2 = ARMS Lever Mount Assembly (M50)
It features a Lamp Module (LU60) (comprising of a bezel, lamp assembly and Lamp Module Adapter Collar), Housing Body (MH90) (also featuring either the M49 or M50 see above), and a TailCap.
Bezels screw onto bodies.
Lamp Modules screw into Housings
When talking about standard (called "C" only by CPFers) systems such as the Millennium Universal WeaponLights or the Classic Universal WeaponLights, in order to screw a bezel into a housing you need an adapter. Either an Adapter Collar or a Lamp Module Housing Body (which also holds one or more batteries)
The main reason for this is that these adapters feature a physical stop in their neck to prevent the batteries from slamming into the back of the Lamp Assembly under recoil. This also reduces the amount the batteries can slam into each other.
The U2 is an exception since it screws into its body using the same threads as a Lamp Module screwing into a Housing Body.
It's also worth pointing out that these threads are shorter than those for a TailCap and that in the old days they were even shorter still (which can result in some compatibility issues with some Classic WeaponLight components by that's a whole other story)
My point is that I don't consider Lamp Modules to have "C" type threads because they are not compatible with what CPFers refer to when they write "C" (ie 6P, C2, G2 etc)
(Lamp Modules can feature a bezel, or even be a bezel in certain circumstances)
So taking the "M2" as an example of a handheld:
It features a bezel, lamp assembly and body + TailCap.
It's WeaponLight counterpart is the M95
Note that there is no need to use an "X" as in M95X unless you are going to explain what X can stand for. In which case it would be a small "x" as in M95x where "x" is
1 = Dual Thumbscrew Rail Mount (M49)
2 = ARMS Lever Mount Assembly (M50)
It features a Lamp Module (LU60) (comprising of a bezel, lamp assembly and Lamp Module Adapter Collar), Housing Body (MH90) (also featuring either the M49 or M50 see above), and a TailCap.
Bezels screw onto bodies.
Lamp Modules screw into Housings
When talking about standard (called "C" only by CPFers) systems such as the Millennium Universal WeaponLights or the Classic Universal WeaponLights, in order to screw a bezel into a housing you need an adapter. Either an Adapter Collar or a Lamp Module Housing Body (which also holds one or more batteries)
The main reason for this is that these adapters feature a physical stop in their neck to prevent the batteries from slamming into the back of the Lamp Assembly under recoil. This also reduces the amount the batteries can slam into each other.
The U2 is an exception since it screws into its body using the same threads as a Lamp Module screwing into a Housing Body.
It's also worth pointing out that these threads are shorter than those for a TailCap and that in the old days they were even shorter still (which can result in some compatibility issues with some Classic WeaponLight components by that's a whole other story)
My point is that I don't consider Lamp Modules to have "C" type threads because they are not compatible with what CPFers refer to when they write "C" (ie 6P, C2, G2 etc)
ElectronGuru
Flashaholic
Wow, more great info!
So to summarize, the collar that comes with the LU60 assembly:
At the risk of making you cringe, it sounds almost like a high velocity 3P body
So to summarize, the collar that comes with the LU60 assembly:
- Has C to C threads (male/male)
- Has shorter threads at the bottom than traditional 'bodies'
- Includes a 'throat' to retain cells
- HA-NA finish
At the risk of making you cringe, it sounds almost like a high velocity 3P body
Size15's
Flashaholic
Whilst the 'front end' of the LU60 Adapter Collar is threaded to accept 'standard' bezels, the 'rear end' threads do not mate with 'standard' TailCap (or any TailCap) since it mates with a WeaponLight housing body.
The LU60 Adapter Collar is not a 'body', traditional or otherwise. It is a Lamp Module Adapter Collar. It holds no batteries [like a Lamp Module Housing Body does]. It is not anything like a 3P body. One could argue that the L60 Lamp Module is similar to a 3P body except that you can't screw a TailCap onto it and have it function.
You can screw an A21 Universal Housing Body onto either an LU60 or L30 Lamp Module and a TailCap onto the rear of the A21 and use the R30 Lamp Assembly.
The LU60 is HA. In SureFire terminology 'HA' without any other descriptor means 'natural' rather than dyed (coloured). "HA-NA" is not a term I, nor SureFire recognise.
Al 🙂
Just in case anyone wanted to see the LU60A E to C adapter, here it is.
This adapter worked with all the aftermarket C/ P series SF heads that I have. The Vital Gear E to C adaper only worked with a select few. They look almost identical as you can see by the picture below.
Vital Gear on the left and SF on the right.
This adapter worked with all the aftermarket C/ P series SF heads that I have. The Vital Gear E to C adaper only worked with a select few. They look almost identical as you can see by the picture below.
Vital Gear on the left and SF on the right.
ElectronGuru
Flashaholic
:kewlpics: Thank you for the detail!
These are getable but $$. The bezel of course is sweet, so it really comes down to how much this adaptor alone is worth. One way to find out!
These are getable but $$. The bezel of course is sweet, so it really comes down to how much this adaptor alone is worth. One way to find out!
I believe both the Vital Gear and TNC E to C adapter sell for $25. I don't know if these SF adapters could be purchased and sold again in that price range.
They do not look as clean looking as a TNC adapter but look better than the Vital Gear because they are smaller.
The M2 head that comes with it, is more of a matte/ satin finish. It does not match a SF 6P color.
ElectronGuru
Flashaholic
Thats actually a good thing. Part of the appeal (and expense) of this kit is the HA finish.
Here's a type III and type II finished 6P for comparison:
l2icel3all
Newly Enlightened
Thats actually a good thing. Part of the appeal (and expense) of this kit is the HA finish.
Here's a type III and type II finished 6P for comparison:
This is going to be a bit off topic but where'd you manage to get the 6p HA III from?
This is going to be a bit off topic but where'd you manage to get the 6p HA III from?
He sells them. Look for his FS thread. He has C2's, 6P's and etc..
DimeRazorback
Flashlight Enthusiast
The link is in his sig line :thumbsup:
ElectronGuru
Flashaholic
It took me a month and a half, but I have a few HA gray bezels ready to go.
ElectronGuru
Flashaholic
ElectronGuru
Flashaholic
Here's the whole set:
I'm officially addicted
I'm officially addicted
Size15's
Flashaholic
Great to see all three together!
FYI, SureFire have been using the bezel you're calling "M2-BK" as the new Z32 bezel for some time.
FYI, SureFire have been using the bezel you're calling "M2-BK" as the new Z32 bezel for some time.
ElectronGuru
Flashaholic
:thumbsup:
I don't have anything near a comprehensive collection, but any time you want to see something, just let me know.
My camera time is at your disposal.
