The dreaded "family member asks flashlight advice" thread

harro

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As others have said, it quite often goes from, ' What is a good torch for me? ', to, ' Why on earth would you spend that much ( generally AUD$25 - $50 ) on a torch? ' You then point them in the general direction of the large hardware chainstore. Advice goes out very sparingly these days!!

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I had my fenix e05 at work a while back now 4 people have them. They make great looking into pipe lights.
My coworkers say "you paid how much?! Are you crazy?!"
But when they need light they turn on diesel powered lights plants, or crane lights. lol

In the meantime my brother came by to drop off something and went on and on about how much he uses his LED triple A mini mag I gave him. So at least there's that.

If you need it to work 100% sounds like you need a Malkoff

Agreed.
Going in; a Malkoff MD2 with hi/lo switch may seem crazy at about $130. Then about $20 for a 12 pack of batteries. But "cinnamon" will be impressed.
Hand made by Gene Malkoff himself using the best parts, pieces and construction methods right here in Alabammy USA.

And welcome to the site Lemurian. Good post.
 
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Bushman5

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Loaned ny coworker my NiteCore P12GT while he inspected his rig brakes. Couldn't believe the output and the distance it went. Then came the how much $$ question....

called me crazy for spending that kind of money on a flashlight. I didnt tell him ive spent thousands over the year, he's probably have a heart attack.
 

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I have given up providing advice on flashlights to family members. I just evaluate their application and give them a flashlight. They don't get Surefires or HDS, but it's something reliable and suitable. Most non-flashaholics can't deal with more than two modes, some can barely deal with one. So they get things like Maglite LEDs, Inovas, low end Fenix and similiar lights. I did break this rule recently and gave my son A Surefire E2l-AA when he graduated from Engineering School. I think understands now.

What I do give advice on is batteries. My family can't be bothered with rechargables, so I tell them, "Put these Energizer L91s or L92s in anything you don't want destroyed. Alkaline batteries leak. You may get lucky, you may not. I've seen them leak in a wall clock in tightly temperature controlled house." If I give them a light, it's got L91 or L92s in it.
 

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It feels like I'm the only person in my city that's a flashaholic, and I don't live in a small city. I honestly don't even try giving a family or friends advice on which flashlight to get because they won't ever understand. So, instead I would recommend whichever AA or AAA flashlight deals I could find at the time for under $20 USD. I have given many flashlight for stocking stuffer, birthday day present, or just gifts on random occasion but most of the time it will end up in a drawer or box somewhere. I guess for most people, the flash on smart phones would suffice for most of their uses. Its even rare to see people wear watches now.

As for me, there's definitely a special joy I get from being in the dark with the power to see anywhere I want.
 

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I'm going to work this year on some friends, who had a couple of cheap camping lanterns that lasted a couple of years then stopped working. The aim is to get them to spend 3 or 4 times as much to buy proper ones that will last a decade. Could be tricky.
 

iamlucky13

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Loaned ny coworker my NiteCore P12GT while he inspected his rig brakes. Couldn't believe the output and the distance it went. Then came the how much $$ question....

called me crazy for spending that kind of money on a flashlight. I didnt tell him ive spent thousands over the year, he's probably have a heart attack.

That P12 might be 10 times the price of what he'd probably spend, but 4 times the max light output and it will probably work 5 times as long if used and abused regularly, so it could be argued to be twice the value.

That's not even counting the value of other factors like flat output regulation, well-spaced modes, and in many cases better color and beam shapes.

For most of us, a flashlight is a tool, and a high quality tool is seldom cheap. People also often spend large amounts of money on quality knives, cameras, phones, shoes, and jackets, all based on function.

Most people who can't imagine paying $50 for a flashlight probably won't buy the $50 cordless drill kit at Harbor Freight because they don't trust it. They'll get the $100 store brand at Sears or their home improvement store, and they'll wish they could justify the $200 pro-brand.

At the same, I see people spend hundreds of dollars on jewelry, designer jeans, purses, tattoos, as well as numerous completely non-functional trinkets for their cars (although I actually love seeing stupidly big spoilers on front-wheel drive cars if it's plain the owner is just trying to be absurd).

A light you can depend on is generally worthwhile. I ended up a CPF member because I was tired of lights I couldn't depend on.
 

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Think it's really funny but also true seeing how many people raise their eyebrows at what we spend on torches and yet I'll bet every one of them has a hobby whether it's going to the gym, fishing, shooting, golf. windsurfing, wake boarding or one of a few hundred others that will cost considerably more in equipment / monthly membership fees than having a few flashlights ... guess that may depend just HOW bad your addiction is though :laughing:
 

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Thinking of Malkoff 2*AA when it is available again, as long as old timers can be okay with UI.
When people can't believe I payed X amount for a torch, I ask them how much that (stupid) tattoo was, in a nice way. That dwarf with a battle axe is going to look awful funny by the time they reach fifty. Maybe it will look like a malevolent telly-tubby.
My mom really likes her Fenix ld12, which has a pretty decent warranty if a remember correctly, so I think she'll appreciate a Malkoff come May or so. A high CRI 2*AA HDS rotary would be awesome. Maybe I can talk my brothers into combining forces for a combo birthday/X-mas gift.
A good argument for a quality torch is dealing with bumps in the night. In the winter my parents live a nice neighborhood in a low crime rate town. Still, psychopaths (20% of prisoners meet the criteria for diagnosis) hop on the freeway, drive a little into another town, then commit crimes. There have been two home invasion robberies within 400 yards of parents house alone in the last year. I don't argue from a fear standpoint ("If it's scary be wary"). It is more of practical issue. As in, "How are you going to aim your shotgun if you can't see?" I am not a gun person, but granny does have a gun. Mostly a boom stick for bears (six live nearby, so we always are careful picking blackberries, etc).
I got everyone LRI X-Light Micros from dark sucks for X-mas. I literally asked for keys and attached them. People really liked them. Then I showed off my brass Prometheus Beta qrv2. People said, "That's a flashlight?" It took a while, but they are starting to catch on.
The Oroville dam problem leading to 180,000 people scurrying around to get the heck out of dodge is another good example of why we need to be prepared. One of my favorite classes in college was a nice 2 unit Geology of Natural Disasters course. In the event of a disaster, we are supposed to have a two week supply of food and water. The truly eye opening part is that developers/builders some how get away with putting neighborhoods on top of lava flow zones, fault lines, etc. I have been to college football games at Cal with something like over 70,00 people. Yes, nerds like football, too, even if some of the players gave them Melvins in high school. I digress. A the top the stadium, up from either end zone, the concrete is literally higher/lower in a certain linear way. This is right above the Hayward Fault. Hospitals and city halls, too.
Another approach: in Oregon building codes were not updated until the mid nineties or so. A lot of structures are not attached to their foundations. Scientists did not really know of the danger because a subduction zone is under a lot of water off the coast. I've been busting my sons's balls about this. He lives in OR and has never been through an earthquake...and he is still in the "invincible" stage. I accessed flood danger maps, etc, through Jefferson Public Radio.
No power, toppled buildings, and it's time to swim. A good torch should be a no brainer.
My dad lives in the SF By Area. Big surprise, a high danger earthquake zone. So, "How are you going to find your sparkless wrench ("A what?") to shut off the leaking gas line, in the dark, with that little candle?" approach helps. From a practical approach.
 

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So today I'm in this class with a fellow coworker I hadn't seen since W was in the white house and dude says "so you still selling bmx bikes?" Uh, naw man aint done that in a while. Then he said he heard I was into cars and my response was well kinda but lately it's flashlights.
He says "awe man what were those big flashlights... mad something other?" I said maglite? He says yeah those.. man I used to have a bunch of those he says but these days I like those little ones that run off 3 triple a's and have a buncha light bulbs... I like the ones that put out the blue tint. Those are great he says.

Ok so here's where the story gets weird...

A little later he says he wants a pistol light.
I know what you're thinking at home but it didn't happen.
He says I want the best pistol light on the planet and don't care how much it costs.
Bet you guys didn't see that coming. Well neither did I.
Turns out the pistol is a nickle plated Kimber 1911 with a built in rail. Not cheap by any means.

He said "my friends carry these $99 crap on their pistols, but they keep having trouble with them.
He said he wants something a Navy SEAL would really use not that crap you see on tv...lol.
After class we looked at some Streamlights and he seemed intent on one scheduled to arrive this spring.

Never saw that coming.

The most surprising part.... it's for his daughter's 21st birthday to go with the .45 he gave her for Christmas.

Yup sometimes miracles happen.
 
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Hooked on Fenix

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For a first light, not knowing what they'll use it for, I'd suggest a 300 lumen Rayovac Indestructible 2 AA ($15) or a Energizer Hardcase 2 AA. AAs are cheap and these lights are bright and have useful low settings with long enough runtimes. This light would be your decent everyday beater flashlight. The most used and abused light needs to be well built and not expensive. Second light would a cheap e.d.c. such as an Olight 1AAA 120 lumen light ($14). Third light go for a headlight or lantern. If it's lithium ion, get one with built in usb charging such as Nitecore's NU series headlights or a Goal Zero Micro Flash Lantern. Don't go rechargeable starting out and when you do, it needs to be as simple as charging their cell phone.
 

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