The New King of Throw: Reflector Types Only; Tested and Confirmed!

[wbp]

Stood in my garden i can replicate the comparison of R2 and MC-E and the pictures here bear no relation to my experience.

Details, please. Which R2? Which reflector? Positions of light and camera? Makes a big difference.

 

[wbp]

Stood in my garden i can replicate the comparison of R2 and MC-E and the pictures here bear no relation to my experience.

You're right. I went back and checked, and I had made an error in my notes. Those shots are not with the MC-E. I've removed them.

I went out to do a new set of pictures, hoping to get some with the smooth reflector, and found that I could no longer remove the R2 pill from the new OP reflector, it's stuck.

William

 

[electric sheep]

It just did not add up. Hope anyone put off the MC-E will take another look. My favourite light right now and i could not go back.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Hats off to MrGman and WBP for doing so much fantastic work on this thread. It is great to get these measurements from trusted sources. I think one reason the A10 and a few other lights have not gotten as much interest as I think they deserve is that people don't believe the super high lux readings that are posted about them. The lux readings I've read for the A10 vary widely.

Because of the five times rule, I think they are right that for the A10 it is better to measure lux at 5 meters and use the Inverse Square Law to calculate the lux at one meter.

The standard of lux at one meter is helpful because that is the most common measurement given so it makes it easier to compare lights.

I agree with MrGman and WBP. I don't think it's necessary to measure the lux at one meter. It is probably the easiest way to get that measurement, but lights with large reflectors may give misleading readings at one meter. I want a reliable reading. With a reliable reading and the Inverse Square Law I can see how bright the light is all along the beam.

I'll post a link below which I think has a good idea to help overcome the distortion of the point source's position. By measuring the beam at two distances, it is possible to find the virtual point source.
Link:
" You can solve for the virtual origin of a source by measuring irradiance at two points and solving for the offset distance, X, using the Inverse Square Law:
E1(d1 + X)2 = E2(d2 + X)2 "

 

[TITAN1833]

Hi guy's I think the thrown will be short lived,we will have another contender shortly 😀

Suffice to say it puts out 550+lumens out front and has SMO reflector.BTW the lumens has been tested independently with IS and from what I see it has the potential to be crowned the new throw king,I should have it soon stay tuned for my first impressions



[edit]Oh what I can tell you it's the sunlites 8Wfp's bigger brother,IMO the 8w out throws the DBS and anything else I have seen so far.There will be a thread on this light very soon.

 

[Glenn7]

Hi guy's I think the thrown will be short lived,we will have another contender shortly 😀

Suffice to say it puts out 550+lumens out front and has SMO reflector.BTW the lumens has been tested independently with IS and from what I see it has the potential to be crowned the new throw king,I should have it soon stay tuned for my first impressions



[edit]Oh what I can tell you it's the sunlites 8Wfp's bigger brother,IMO the 8w out throws the DBS and anything else I have seen so far.There will be a thread on this light very soon.

hey Titan yes i sence a butt kicking coming on :naughty: and i cant wait to put it up against my bad boys and watch their mouths drop in awe 😱 😗 :thumbsup:

 

[276]

Hi guy's I think the thrown will be short lived,we will have another contender shortly 😀

Suffice to say it puts out 550+lumens out front and has SMO reflector.BTW the lumens has been tested independently with IS and from what I see it has the potential to be crowned the new throw king,I should have it soon stay tuned for my first impressions



[edit]Oh what I can tell you it's the sunlites 8Wfp's bigger brother,IMO the 8w out throws the DBS and anything else I have seen so far.There will be a thread on this light very soon.

I have been anxiously awaiting that one.

 

[TITAN1833]

I have been anxiously awaiting that one.

Yes I'm hoping Ryan will put up his review shortly,and I will add my little bit too 😀

 

[Tatjanamagic]

Does aspheric with OP reflector qualify for this thread?

It has OP reflector inside, and at the end of OP reflector comes aspherical lenses, it easily out throws tiablo A9 so probably would out throw DBS V3 R2 also.

Wolfeyes nighthunter.

Wish Mr.Gman can test it( I would send flashlight to U on test but I don't live in USA post is very expensive here in darkonia 😉 )

 

[utlgoa]

Checkout the deep reflector on this new SST-50 Flashlight. It must be a great thrower!

http://www.shenzhen-wholesale.com/loongsun-lx9012-sst50-led-aluminum-flashlight_sku2308.html

http://www.szobm.net/sdp/489907/4/pd-2645629/7400879-1298069.html


*Untested and Unconfirmed*

 

[MrGman]

Does aspheric with OP reflector qualify for this thread?

It has OP reflector inside, and at the end of OP reflector comes aspherical lenses, it easily out throws tiablo A9 so probably would out throw DBS V3 R2 also.

Wolfeyes nighthunter.

Wish Mr.Gman can test it( I would send flashlight to U on test but I don't live in USA post is very expensive here in darkonia 😉 )

An aspheric lens on top of anything makes it an aspheric lens type output and doesn't qualify for this group. I have not seen any light that normally takes a reflector with an aspheric put in front of it that did not have a very ugly beam. I would be very curious to see what this light that you have looks like.

But I am not in the Lux testing business any more. I focus on practical lights and I have not seen any aspheric thrower that I am interested in. It was my friend WBP who actually had the really good equipment to do the testing we did on those lights and I helped and published the data. He hasn't been active and I am 2400 miles away from his shop, so not going to do any more testing like we did that night.

There are a few good lux meters to buy out there. I had an AEMC CA813, sold that off as well. There are others. You have enough lights to consider getting a good lux meter and start doing some comparative testing.

 

[recDNA]

Is the Masterpiece Pro 1 in this thread anywhere? It's my best thrower.

 

[precisionworks]

I didn't see the Catapult V2 :nana:

In my shop built integrating sphere (which cannot be compared to the IS that was used for these tests) the V2 shows 744 lumens on a pair of AW 18650's (2900 mAh). Current draw is 1700 mA on freshly charged cells.

Do you think it might qualify?

 

[Tatjanamagic]

An aspheric lens on top of anything makes it an aspheric lens type output and doesn't qualify for this group. I have not seen any light that normally takes a reflector with an aspheric put in front of it that did not have a very ugly beam. I would be very curious to see what this light that you have looks like.

But I am not in the Lux testing business any more. I focus on practical lights and I have not seen any aspheric thrower that I am interested in. It was my friend WBP who actually had the really good equipment to do the testing we did on those lights and I helped and published the data. He hasn't been active and I am 2400 miles away from his shop, so not going to do any more testing like we did that night.

There are a few good lux meters to buy out there. I had an AEMC CA813, sold that off as well. There are others. You have enough lights to consider getting a good lux meter and start doing some comparative testing.

This wolf-eyes nighthunter has a ringy beam... Is it ugly? Well maybe little... I have small review here...

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=3496571#post3496571

Please look.

 

[bigchelis]

This wolf-eyes nighthunter has a ringy beam... Is it ugly? Well maybe little... I have small review here...

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=3496571#post3496571

Please look.

Yeah thats uggly all right. 😗

I got the aspheric bug sometime ago too, but now there are Deep Reflectors out there that I have seen surpass the Aspherical lights.

I have seen/tested/used a SST-90 light with Deep Rebel Reflector out throw the DeFT FTP. Well at least I got more lux at 5m from it. And to be fair the SST-90 was alot heavier, bigger, and with 2000 plus lumens not really a fair fight.

The huge loss in OTF lumens when you go ASpheric is the bigger reason I switched over to the reflector side. MrGman and I have seen as much as 40% less light when going aspherical. The only aspherical I like is the DEFT cause he minimizes this loss by using a 2 lens system:thumbsup:


This is my ASpherical killer
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=295105

 

[saabluster]

Yeah thats uggly all right. 😗

I got the aspheric bug sometime ago too, but now there are Deep Reflectors out there that I have seen surpass the Aspherical lights.

I have seen/tested/used a SST-90 light with Deep Rebel Reflector out throw the DeFT FTP. Well at least I got more lux at 5m from it. And to be fair the SST-90 was alot heavier, bigger, and with 2000 plus lumens not really a fair fight.

The huge loss in OTF lumens when you go ASpheric is the bigger reason I switched over to the reflector side. MrGman and I have seen as much as 40% less light when going aspherical. The only aspherical I like is the DEFT cause he minimizes this loss by using a 2 lens system:thumbsup:


This is my ASpherical killer
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=295105

The only way the SR-90 can out-throw a DEFT is if there is a problem with the light. Practically speaking though the SR-90 was close enough that the human eye would have a difficult time discerning the difference. The later HO models were well above the FTP for throw however. Now I have a prototype DEFT of the same size and weight that pushes over 400K cp. For an SR-90 to equal this DEFT you would have to buy four of them. Now if I go to the same size head as the SR-90 you would have to buy 6 1/2 SR-90s just to equal what I can do with an aspherical.

Also you are being very kind to asphericals when it comes to light loss. When I added the pre-collimator I calculated I was getting a 60% increase in throughput.

 

[bigchelis]

The CBT-90 was the VARA2000 light that hit 97.5k lux at 1m, but at 2300 plus OTF lumens on turn-on it was not exactly a fair fight. So, now what if I was able to put an Aspherical lens on this domeless SST-90
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=288524

Gswitter runs his VARA2000 with an Aspherical lens (sometimes) and I will admitt it does throw more when he puts that lens on it.


EDIT: I got 132.5K lux with the DEFT FTP. My mistake. DEFT is still king of throw/lux that I have seen and tested.

 

[bigchelis]

I did get to test a handfull of custom and off the shelf aspherical lights.

Here is a typical one with single lens system.

Dereelight DBS_____Dereelight XR-E R2_______ 2 AW 2600mAh _________ 225.4 ______ 1 sec_______529______13,225___
__________________________________________________ _____________ 213.8_______30 sec_______________________
_______________________1.2A Single Mode ______________________________________ 209.2_______1 min________________________
__________________________________________________ _____________________________204.6_______2 min________________________
______________________________________________________________________________202.3_______3 min________________________
Dereelight DBS_____Dereelight XR-E R2_______ 2 AW 2600mAh _________ 140.8 ______ 1 sec______2,500_____62,500___
__________________________________________________ _____________ 137.7_______30 sec_______________________
_______________________1.2A Single Mode ___________Aspherical Installed__________ 135.4_______1 min________________________
__________________________________________________ _____________________________133.8_______2 min________________________
______________________________________________________________________________133.1_______3 min________________________


The lenslight mini CR123 when put to wide and not focused actually gained alot of lumens. I think the one I tested was a 1.2A version and I suspect up towards 220 plus OTF if it had a reflector in lieu of the aspherical lens. It is cool though.

LensBright CR123 Mini___XR-E R2____Wide____Surefire CR123_______164.6______1 sec_____________________
LensBright CR123 Mini___XR-E R2___Focused__ Surefire CR123_______89.2_______1 sec_____________________

 

[MrGman]

Olight SR-91 - 2,550 lux at 5 meters x 25 = 63,750 lux at 1 meter
Stanley HID - 11,920 lux at 5 meters x 25 = 298,000 lux at 1 meter

Taken from a top secret source. The HID doesn't count just like aspheric's don't count for LED lights with reflectors.

 

[MrGman]

This wolf-eyes nighthunter has a ringy beam... Is it ugly? Well maybe little... I have small review here...

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=3496571#post3496571

Please look.

I actually did see your review when you first posted it. Good work, but the truth is, yes, that is an ugly ringy beam. I am sure it works out in the field but not what I want to see in my lights.

As far as I know the O-Light SR90 Intimidator is the best standard reflector type LED light for the king of throw. But for the king of what's on my belt, that doesn't weight a ton and has a very useful beam, that is the Malkoff Hound Dog.