The Official Malkoff Junkie thread - Part 2

[Woods Walker]

You referring to the lower output modules?

Because I can tell a huge difference between two generations of MagCharger modules, one pretty neutral and the other almost snow white. Both are XM-L2s.

In my back yard I have about 40 yards to a white shed with black shingles and shrubs and such all around it. The color difference is astonishing.

When it comes to lower lumens I think my aging eyes like brightness over CRI, but sometimes I find that sweet paring of both and want to carry it for a while.

I am more talking about actual field use of CW, W, NW or HCRI. I have covered a good numbers of miles in every kinda weather using all of them. With the notable exception of blue trail markers looking less like tree liken and maybe a bit less glare in fog (still not sure) I am not seeing it. I can say 219B is no better in fog or snow than CW. Then again I am more concerned with tripling over a rock at 5mp trail running than if something looks just the right color with the notable exception of the sacred bacon which darn good under 219b and that's no small thing. I have done over 20 miles in a night and can say the eyes get almost catatonic for lack of better words. You're not thinking about color rendition. But a nice tint tends to be better when used in a more relaxed setting which happens more often.

For example I was out tonight slow jogging the rural dirt roads evaluating a flashlight (not malkoff but you can bet I had one on me). Look what is in the middle of the dirt road.

There was a bear attack maybe 5 miles away in summer. My primary concern is not HCRI. It's looking around for whatever left that. Did it run off as I approached? Nature tends to sense confidence and frankly I was not in the least concerned but illumination IMHO is the end goal and at times more is better.

 

[INFRNL]

I edited the last chart posting to add a comparison chart between li-ion/primaries

will have the T primary results after a while. we are only just over 2 hrs into the test and we are just below 30lm. Seems like T does a bit better on primaries as well. You will have a visual after i get some rest.

 

[Greenbean]

That makes sense,

I remember when I first got on patrol I only carried my E2D, 5/200 version. Because it always worked and it was a great weapon one time.

I didn’t give a hoot about the CRI, lol...

Seeing leftovers like that I’d want the brightest longest runtime I could carry.

 

[INFRNL]

I am more talking about actual field use of CW, W, NW or HCRI. I have covered a good numbers of miles in every kinda weather using all of them. With the notable exception of blue trail markers looking less like tree liken and maybe a bit less glare in fog (still not sure) I am not seeing it. I can say 219B is no better in fog or snow than CW. Then again I am more concerned with tripling over a rock at 5mp trail running than if something looks just the right color with the notable exception of the sacred bacon which darn good under 219b and that's no small thing. I have done over 20 miles in a night and can say the eyes get almost catatonic for lack of better words. You're not thinking about color rendition. But a nice tint tends to be better when used in a more relaxed setting which happens more often.

My primary concern is not HCRI. It's looking around for whatever left that. Did it run off as I approached? Nature tends to sense confidence and frankly I was not in the least concerned but illumination IMHO is the end goal and at times more is better.

I can see/agree in your use color rendition is the last thing you could care about. and i agree. My use is in a relaxed environment.


I also left you a post mixed in with another. Since we do not have an LLL option, what output are you looking for. I plan to use an M61LL and replicate your LLL to give you a rough idea of what can be expected. i will modify a H/L ring to put out 50lm or whatever you are after. We will then get an idea if low mode on a MLL will get us close to a real LLL module. I know it won't be a CW M61 but we can get an idea to go off of for the moment

 

[xdayv]

I edited the last chart posting to add a comparison chart between li-ion/primaries

will have the T primary results after a while. we are only just over 2 hrs into the test and we are just below 30lm. Seems like T does a bit better on primaries as well. You will have a visual after i get some rest.

Wasn't expecting the HOT to perform similarly on Li-ion and primaries! Interesting result, and thanks as usual. Looking fwd to the T.

 

[INFRNL]

Wasn't expecting the HOT to perform similarly on Li-ion and primaries! Interesting result, and thanks as usual. Looking fwd to the T.

I imagine it will have a similar result compared to li-ion as the HOT did. Although it looks like li-ion may be a better option, depending on how you look at it.
I'm also curious how the T will do on MD3 2x18500 2000mah, but I'm not expecting long runtimes.

EDIT: Just for you Dave...preliminary results for the T

 

[marco.weiss]

"I'm goin' with scary!"

I found a good argument to buy a new flashlight ...

me: love, you can go on shoping whenever you want ... I found the solution to our problems!
she: serious? How nice!!!
me: yes !!! but I need a new malkoff´s... one withuv light!

she: why?
me: to find scorpion ... (she is of the sign of scorpion)
she: lol, you can buy two then!

even she laughed at my dull joke! lol

 

[INFRNL]

I found a good argument to buy a new flashlight ...

me: love, you can go on shoping whenever you want ... I found the solution to our problems!
she: serious? How nice!!!
me: yes !!! but I need a new malkoff´s... one withuv light!

she: why?
me: to find scorpion ... (she is of the sign of scorpion)
she: lol, you can buy two then!

even she laughed at my dull joke! lol

That's funny:thumbsup:





@ Xdavy: I updated my last post so you can see what I have so far on the T and another graph showing comparison to the HOT basically a slightly different version of the li-ion results

 

[xdayv]

@INFRNL - thanks for the tests. The T is showing strong slope on the primaries!

 

[Blues]

TV showing crap. You need a special chemical agent applied to see blood in UV. Normally blood is black in UV.

They used to spray Luminol but I don't know if the chemistry / technology has advanced much since I retired and no longer keep up.

 

[Swedpat]

Runtime graphs are highly valuable, much better than just a stated runtime. The graphs show that while M61T gives a decent performance with CR123s the M61HOT is an expensive choice for these cells. Good job INFRNL!

By the way: shame on you for my wallet screams in panic! I had decided not to get any more flashlight this season but now M61T is SO tempting. Especially with the TriCap!

 

[knucklegary]

INFRNL, M61T MD3 run time on 3xprimaries would be interesting test?

 

[INFRNL]

heres an update and I think we are way past a good conclusion. I will continue the tests for a bit just for fun. this 1lm output could be useful for very close range emergency use. I have the lights on in the garage plus some daylight leaking through and I can still see in the dark areas with this 1lm.

 

[INFRNL]

Runtime graphs are highly valuable, much better than just a stated runtime. The graphs show that while M61T gives a decent performance with CR123s the M61HOT is an expensive choice for these cells. Good job INFRNL!

By the way: shame on you for my wallet screams in panic! I had decided not to get any more flashlight this season but now M61T is SO tempting. Especially with the TriCap!

Thank you...
and if you need to use me for an excuse to buy a new light, have at it...,
must warn you though, there are many more tests coming. Let me know what lights you have/don't have and i will see if I can get those tests done while i'm at home, will give you more to add to the cart and ensure the free shipping option<<<nevermind; you are in Sweden. Well it will help save on shipping costs but probably raise customs fees
I personally would hold off until you see one in the marketplace.

INFRNL, M61T MD3 run time on 3xprimaries would be interesting test?

let me do the 2x18500 then we will see about killing 3x primaries


Our friend Marco has also got me on another mission which kind of opened up a can of worms. I am currently running a Super MD6 test 3x18650 high mode; so keep an eye out for the results later today. Not doing 6 primaries, so don't even think about it

so this got me thinking. If we can do 3x18650, we can do 3x18500 as well. I will have to see if I can jimmy rig something for the 3x18500 test. I already rigged up 3x18650 to get the test knocked out. we will see. I definitely need to get some tests done for Xdavy first, that is my top priority, and we are on the downhill stretch.

this will be an exciting year of Malkoff runtime tests:thumbsup:

oh and I need to work on the MLLL replicated test for Woodswalker.

 

[INFRNL]

something I forgot to mention and time will tell...

I got my 2000mah keeppower 18500's today. I was looking at the label. It says made in Japan:twothumbs
My panasonic 2000mah are made in China

When I do the test on the T, I will test both cells and see if there are any notable differences

keep an eye out in the HD thread. Super MD6 results are done. got a secret Super test going now. will post both results after current test is complete

 

[Blues]

Shout out to @knucklegary for his recommendations for the bumpers and related o-rings for the MD.

Got my first order from oringsandmore.com today and just installed them. The only thing I had to do, on the Hound Dog 18650, was pull the spring contact out slightly on the head to make contact through the #113. Done and Bob's your uncle!

The Hound Dog XM-L and Wildcat V6 required no such adjustment despite using the stubbier #206 at both ends.

Tomorrow or Saturday I should receive the recommended sizes for the MDC 16650, and hopefully my Surefire 6z and E2e which are fitted with Malkoff drop-in and head, respectively.

 

[Woods Walker]

I can see/agree in your use color rendition is the last thing you could care about. and i agree. My use is in a relaxed environment.


I also left you a post mixed in with another. Since we do not have an LLL option, what output are you looking for. I plan to use an M61LL and replicate your LLL to give you a rough idea of what can be expected. i will modify a H/L ring to put out 50lm or whatever you are after. We will then get an idea if low mode on a MLL will get us close to a real LLL module. I know it won't be a CW M61 but we can get an idea to go off of for the moment

Here is my logic. The longest range I have done on a trail hiking is 5-6 hours in the dark to camp. I have covered over 22 miles at night but that was trail jogging. 50 lumens is enough to both hike and navigate by. The longer the runtimes the better as there is always the return tip etc however I am not walking the dog around town. Super low increases the risk of mechanical injury etc etc.

 

[INFRNL]

Here is my logic. The longest range I have done on a trail hiking is 5-6 hours in the dark to camp. I have covered over 22 miles at night but that was trail jogging. 50 lumens is enough to both hike and navigate by. The longer the runtimes the better as there is always the return tip etc however I am not walking the dog around town. Super low increases the risk of mechanical injury etc etc.

Ok, sounds good. I will aim for 50 lumens and see if we can get that 5-6hr mark from an NLL to start. This will at least let us know if we can make something work for you with what you have or if we still need to get on santa's lap and beg for an LLL

I'm hoping that an LL will work because it will be the best of both worlds for you. It will give you max output that you can expect from an LL and also give you an LLL from the same engine

 

[Woods Walker]

Ok, sounds good. I will aim for 50 lumens and see if we can get that 5-6hr mark from an NLL to start. This will at least let us know if we can make something work for you with what you have or if we still need to get on santa's lap and beg for an LLL

I'm hoping that an LL will work because it will be the best of both worlds for you. It will give you max output that you can expect from an LL and also give you an LLL from the same engine

That would be fantastic! On a side note just ordered one of the cold resistant 18650 batteries (edit not sold by Malkoff). Might save me on primaries during the winter in the cranking cold.

 

[INFRNL]

That would be fantastic! On a side note just ordered one of the cold resistant 18650 batteries (edit not sold by Malkoff). Might save me on primaries during the winter in the cranking cold.

I would love to hear the results. If they work as claimed, I would definitely invest in some. Perfect time of year to test them out as well