I can see it now: "The Future Technologies Thread"Just think of the debates that one would have...
226 pages in two weeks
I can see it now: "The Future Technologies Thread"Just think of the debates that one would have...
And that's just Chillin' and oldfashionedleddude.I can see it now: "The Future Technologies Thread"
226 pages in two weeks
And that's just Chillin' and oldfashionedleddude.
And that's just Chillin' and oldfashionedleddude.
Links are tricky? What? Links are only "tricky" if you don't read what they link to which is pretty obvious at this point that you are just parroting what others have said and can't think / understand for yourself, and if you think that is an ad-hom, feel free to think that. You have been shown now to be wasting everyone's time now.
It calls for expenditures of 71.6 billion dollars in the fiscal year 1952--a total 78 percent above expenditures for the year which ended last June 30.
Insanely expensive? That is about 250 half decently paid professionals, fully burdened salaries, for one year. I gave people regional sales budgets higher than that and single customer sales budgets as well. Again, you are showing you don't have a clue.
In the big R&D scheme of things, that is dirt cheap.
Fission is naturally occurring. I guess based on your logic, fission power research was free. Oy vey, talk about mental gymnastics.
pulled out of a body part. I will leave that up to readers to guess which body part.
again, talking out of another body part. In the last 25 years, the efficiency of the primary cell type used, crystalline and poly-crystalline cells has only improved a small amount, about 25-30%, and not much in the last 15 year. As systems have gotten larger, the actual system level efficiency increase has been even less. Cost down yes mainly due to Asian MFG, but efficiency no. Multi-junction cells took a leap, but they only work at extremely high solar irradiation levels and require large concentrators to work.
We are currently paying a lot of taxes to the most expensive generation ever, roof top residential solar, all that over priced, stuff from the 2010's which essentially just shipped money off shore. The money on that outstrips the R&D on Nuclear in the US by a large amount but you just guess at things so don't know that.
Between 1967 and 1972, the 48 reactors that were completed before the Three Mile Island accident in 1979 began construction. Their OCC [Overnight Construction Cost] rise from a range of $600–$900/kW to approximately $1800–$2500/kW.
Here, this is where you copied your poor estimate, "A 400W solar panel receiving 4.5 peak sun hours per day can produce 1.8 kWh of electricity per day, as we found in the example above. Now we can multiply 1.8 kWh by 30 days to find that the average solar panel can produce 54 kWh of electricity per month."
This is not remotely the case though. 4.5 peak sun hours is assuming perfectly south facing, perfect angle, no losses, yearly average. That is rarely if ever the case for buildings, especially after all losses. If you get 75% of that, you are doing very well.
Ooops, we are up to 97 / 0.75 = 130. Of course, that is yearly average. Do you really think the average house can support 97 - 400 watt panels, or 130? Typical 400W panel is 21 square feet. 130 * 21 = 28,000 square feet. I am doing pretty well for myself, but my house is not going to support 28,000 square feet of panels. Try that on an apartment building/condo, or even town/row houses.
Oh, and in December, you need 50% more, and you need 5-6 days of storage. Where will they put the batteries, what is the costs, maintenance, cost of the space, disposal costs, etc?
1/4 the amount huh? .... nope, because it would all be peak production now, so the cost would decrease less, and it would be required in the worst possible moments, raising cost.
Remember what you claimed was a call to authority, me quoting actual power engineers who need to deliver electricity? Well it is quite obvious you are not one of them.
Make it profitable, and you can have all the new nuke plants you want. Economics is the only hurdle for nuclear power.yes, I'm 100% in favor of new fission construction.
Not in Japan - https://www.npr.org/2022/12/22/1144990722/japan-nuclear-power-change-fukushima...Nuclear is dead, Three Mile Island killed it, and it has been going through its death throws for the last 40 years, that's why there's no massive annual government investment in nuclear power anymore, other than President Biden recently signing a bill to spend $8B on keeping them running. Trillions of dollars were poured into nuclear development spanning 4 decades from the 1940s to the 1980s. Nuclear never got less expensive, not remotely so. It was a terrible investment, except for the fact that we got more bomb fuel out of it than we knew what to do with, apparently.
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chillinn, solar is a supplement only,
coming from someone who's invested plenty at my residence in solar equipment.
*I'll bet we'll only have 4~5 days of sun this month, this month..*
We need to consistently turn turbines daily, without interruption, to produce electricity.
yes, I'm 100% in favor of new fission construction.
Nuclear power is not profitable anywhere, and never has been. But Japan actually cares about meeting its obligations under the Paris climate accord, which requires that up to 22% of its power be generated by nuclear. Japan, however, has money to burn. $100B here, a $100B there, pretty soon you're talking about real money.
Chillin only deals in theoreticals. He only takes into account practical details like the lights turning on when you hit the switch, when it suits his argument![]()
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Let's calculate the amount of electricity needed to charge 10,000* EVs' in an average city every day
(not including electric buses, trucks, warehouse equipment, delivery vehicles ect................................................ ................................(
*275,913,237 vehicles currently registered in US
The idea of the fully energy-independent home seems to work best in an offgrid setting where the cost of running utilities is prohibitive and the desire for isolation aligns with making compromises on the structure's energy budget.chillinn, solar is a supplement only,
coming from someone who's invested plenty at my residence in solar equipment.
*I'll bet we'll only have 4~5 days of sun this month, this month..*
We need to consistently turn turbines daily, without interruption, to produce electricity.
yes, I'm 100% in favor of new fission construction.
The easy part will be to reactivate furloughed plants - the cost of the work to restart will be peanuts relative to the sunk costs. Starting on new plants will be expensive in terms of mere economic - and far trickier - political capital. I suspect that energy security is more dear to Japan than many other nations - recent events really driving home this point - thus they may accept greater cost for the certainty.
Why is this such a concern? The grid silently absorbs new megalomarts, the uptake of heat pumps for industrial process heat, pool pumps, air conditioning compressors, resistance heating, dozens of can lights running PAR lamps on dimmers, and electric patio heaters left on all night without worry. It can handle any realistic pace of EV uptake at the macro level without anyone outside the industry really noticing.Let's calculate the amount of electricity needed to charge 10,000* EVs' in an average city every day
(not including buses, trucks, warehouse equipment, delivery vehicles ect................................................ ................................(
*even more, 10 years from now
Beneficial to trade millions of point sources distributed among the population for fewer concentrated sources that are usually not in population centers, more efficient, with better pollution controls. Net energy consumption is markedly reduced as well.So basically more coal, gas, oil will need to be burned to make extra electricity, for clean cars and clean heat at home, lol.
+..Why is this such a concern? The grid silently absorbs new megalomarts, the uptake of heat pumps for industrial process heat, pool pumps, air conditioning compressors, resistance heating, dozens of can lights running PAR lamps on dimmers, and electric patio heaters left on all night without worry. It can handle any realistic pace of EV uptake at the macro level without anyone outside the industry really noticing.
At the micro level there will be adjustments. Some homes - especially in temperate regions with few 240V appliances - may require panel or service upgrades. It was with some disappointment last year that I watched the local grid operator replace the 50kVA pad-mound transformer serving 5 homes on my street with ... a 50kVA transformer - seemed a bit shortsighted on their part; if everyone on my street suddenly gets a couple of EVs and replaces their gas furnaces with electric heat pumps said transformer might not have enough Wheaties.
True, but it has as many drawbacks as benefits, power failure and black outs leave you cold and immobile. now you can store gasoline in your garage, shed for your car, /generators, and oil in the tank for furnace.Beneficial to trade millions of point sources distributed among the population for fewer concentrated sources that are usually not in population centers, more efficient, with better pollution controls. Net energy consumption is markedly reduced as well.
Just about everyone that lost power in the 2021 TX blackout also lost heat despite residential gas systems generally remaining online. That storm motivated me to get a minimal backup generator setup that can manage WFH (Work From Home) as well as conveniences like the refrigerator and the furnace since short term the TX grid isn't apt to be made any more reliable.True, but it has as many drawbacks as benefits, power failure and black outs leave you cold and immobile. now you can store gasoline in your garage, shed for your car, /generators, and oil in the tank for furnace.
In this same scenario the roads are likely impassible and gas stations aren't getting deliveries. Blackouts can also jeopardize communications meaning no plastic transactions - and even if you've got cash they still might not be able to make sales such is the nature of POS systems these days.With a "clean new world" a power failure (lets say a long one in the winter, due to storm knocking down power lines, and repair not able to get there for a while), you have no heat and your vehicle can not be charged. no power generators
Wind has been more than 20% of Texas electrical generation for many years now which means a substantial reduction in fossil fuel usage. Yes these are intermittent sources but there are adequate thermal plants in the state; CC gas plants can spin/throttle up the turbine section quickly and peaking plants are even faster to spin up. CC gas plants' responsiveness has done more to retire coal plants than any .gov mandate. Solar faceplate capacity is a reasonable fraction of wind but obviously its capacity factor is less - but that's still a reasonable reduction in fossil fuel consumption during the day.not to mention it does not reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.