Tiablo A10 R2 WC Review

[ergotelis]

King of throw with 24mins in RCR123? This means 8,4V * 1,8amp =15watt...
1:17min in CR123 means 6,4V*1,17amp= 7,5 watt...
No regulation in 18650, but it is the best option because in about 2 hours we should have at least 20000 lux as we read on the review.
Ok it throws further than DBS but with a really tiny hotspot and bad efficiency.
DBS was not only the best because of its lux readings but in all aspects. If it is our goal to get the highest lux reading and not taking into account other aspects, then DEFT is a better solution.

 

[jirik_cz]

Runtimes really doesn't look very good with 2xCR123 or 2xRCR123. But your calculations are wrong. You should learn something about real capacity of the cells and voltage under load.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=67078
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=117117

 

[ergotelis]

Runtimes really doesn't look very good with 2xCR123 or 2xRCR123. But your calculations are wrong. You should learn something about real capacity of the cells and voltage under load.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=67078
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=117117

i know about the discharge rate and the votage drop, but , i wanted to tell about the total power loss in that period,was i still wrong? If we had lower and logical amp draw, then the batteries would have more juice to provide. An amp draw of the half,0,9amp,might lead to 3 times greater runtime. 1,8amp on a rcr123 is not safe anyway.

 

[Stefans]

I don't know. By looking at the the photos in the 1st thread of the Beam shots taken against buildings, the DBS looks to still have it. Thats just my opinion.

Yes sure, but those shots was with the multimode endcap (which measures around 27klux), with the single mode it's been measured to 45klux

Have a bright day...

 

[naked2]

Also ernsanada will be posting NEW beamshots with the new switch, so we'll have to wait and see. Though the only real way to decide for yourself who the true "King of Throw" is, would be to hold both lights in your own hands and compare them. Since I don't own a DBS, and don't see myself buying one any time soon, I'll stick with my opinion that my A10 is my "King"! :thumbsup:

 

[TITAN1833]

Yes sure, but those shots was with the multimode endcap (which measures around 27klux), with the single mode it's been measured to 45klux

Yes but as we have seen lux@1m doesn't mean it's the best thrower,the A10 had higher lux@1m than the DBS yet the DBS looked a lot brighter at distance :thinking:

I think we need a comparison shoot out at distances of 200 to 300 meters to get a real idea,my guess is there will not be much in it IMO

[edit]Also my DBS throws a beam some 1200 feet,I have to ask myself how much further do I need to see :laughing:

 

[jirik_cz]

i know about the discharge rate and the votage drop, but , i wanted to tell about the total power loss in that period,was i still wrong? If we had lower and logical amp draw, then the batteries would have more juice to provide. An amp draw of the half,0,9amp,might lead to 3 times greater runtime. 1,8amp on a rcr123 is not safe anyway.

Mev measured 24 minutes with AW RCR123. If we assume that AW RCR123 will deliver only about 500-550mAh capacity under high load. We can say that average power draw in those 24 minutes will be only around 1,3A. At this discharge rate the average voltage will be lower than 3,5V/cell. So we can say that average power draw is around 9W with RCR123. It is still very high and it means that A10 is very inefficient with these batteries. But is not as dramatic as 15W 😉

 

[ernsanada]

I don't know. By looking at the the photos in the 1st thread of the Beam shots taken against buildings, the DBS looks to still have it. Thats just my opinion.

Sorry I made an error in the labeling of the DBS beam shot. It should be a DBS V2 Q5 3S not the DBS V2 R2 3S. I thought I caught all my errors earlier but I missed that one.

These are the beam shots, it's the second shot.

Tiablo A10 R2 WC

DBS V2 R2 3S should be DBS V2 Q5 3S

 

[ernsanada]

Before I give you my lux numbers for the forward clickie, BTW they weren't impressive to me.


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I want to show you a jig I bulit to take my lux readings. I made it out of scrape oak plywood. The flashlight sits on two pieces of wood parallel to the flashlight.

The flashlight is little over 1 meter from the other piece of oak plywood that sits perpendicular to the flashlight. I account for the thickness of my lux meter.

The hot spot of the beam will hit the piece of wood perpendicular to the flashlight. BTW this is a beam shot hot spot of my Olight M20 R2.

It's very easy me to find the hot spot of the beam.

This is how I always take my lux readings. It's very easy and fast to do. Just charge the batteries and off you go.


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Left, Single Level Forward Clickie, Right, 2 Level Reverse Clickie

Left, Single Forward Level Clickie, Right, 2 Level Reverse Clickie

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These are the lux readings I got. I am using a Meterman LM631 Light Meter measured at 1 meter. I waited 2 minutes before taking the readings. I am using AW's Protected Black 18650's and AW's Protected RCR123's which were fully charged.


These readings are the 2 level reverse clickie.

Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650 - 21,300 lux @ 1 meter

Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 2 RCR123's - 21,730 lux @ 1 meter

Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S, 18650 - 20,767 lux @ 1 meter


This is the lux reading of the 1 level forward clickie.

Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650 - 22,910 lux @ 1 meter


Not very impressive IMO. My beam shots below tell the story.

All beam shots below used freshly charged AW Protected 18650's.

The Tiablo A10 R2 WC is using the 1 level forward clickie.


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Left, Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650, Right, Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S, 18650 @ 96"

Left, Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650, Right, Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S, 18650 @ 96" Stepped down exposure

Left, Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650, Right, Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S, 18650 @ 96" Stepped down exposure. This is the stepped down version of the 2 level reverse clickie.

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All beam shots below are using the Tiablo single mode forward clickie.


Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650 @ 146' or 44.5 meters

Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S, 18650 @ 146' or 44.5 meters

Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650 @ 210' or 64 meters

Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S, 18650 @ 210' or 64 meters

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Beam shots taken against buildings. At this time distance unknown.


Tiablo A10 R2 WC

DBS V2 Q5 3S

Tiablo A10 R2 WC Stepped down exposure

DBS V2 Q5 3S Stepped down exposure

 

[purplemoon]

erns,
Love to read your reviews and the beamshots that comes with it.:twothumbs
But this A10 beamshots of yours does not look the same as my A10. Visually, my A10 definitely out-throws the V2-Q5 and the hotspot of the A10 is so much brighter than the V2, even with the 2-click switch and so much more with the 1-click switch.

Your particular A10 might be 'out of sorts'?

Anyone out there with the A10 can confirm?

 

[naked2]

Mev at Light-reviews has completely different results as erns also. I also wondered if his was "different".

 

[lightforce2]

erns,
Love to read your reviews and the beamshots that comes with it.:twothumbs
But this A10 beamshots of yours does not look the same as my A10. Visually, my A10 definitely out-throws the V2-Q5 and the hotspot of the A10 is so much brighter than the V2, even with the 2-click switch and so much more with the 1-click switch.

Your particular A10 might be 'out of sorts'?

Anyone out there with the A10 can confirm?

Can confirm that my A10 clearly out-throws my A9, DBS 3SD R2 without filter, and UniqueFire HS-802 R2 at distance

BTW 🙂 Just completed my first mod, A10 now has 2 stage high/low switch, 1.08A on high and 130Ma on low with a 10 ohm resistor. Hoping this will be a temporary mod till Tiablo bring out the real thing

 

[TITAN1833]

erns,
Love to read your reviews and the beamshots that comes with it.:twothumbs
But this A10 beamshots of yours does not look the same as my A10. Visually, my A10 definitely out-throws the V2-Q5 and the hotspot of the A10 is so much brighter than the V2, even with the 2-click switch and so much more with the 1-click switch.

Your particular A10 might be 'out of sorts'?

Anyone out there with the A10 can confirm?

Mev at Light-reviews has completely different results as erns also. I also wondered if his was "different".

Can confirm that my A10 clearly out-throws my A9, DBS 3SD R2 without filter, and UniqueFire HS-802 R2 at distance

Come on guys help erns out here post some of your beam shots as words alone are useless without them 😀

 

[ernsanada]

Come on guys help erns out here post some of your beam shots as words alone are useless without them 😀

Yes it would help out a lot.

My light must be having some problems.

I did make sure I used Deoxit (red then gold) the contacts. When I was getting almost the same readings as the 2 level switch I used the Deoxit. My lux readings went up 107 lux.

I tried a total of 4 times with 2 different batteries that were fully charged each time.

 

[ergotelis]

Tiablo seems to be a bit morer bright in the distance beamshots but for me it is not usable due to smaller hotspot. Also difference in amperage is not stated and it is a Q5 not a R2 on DBS.
Erns, can you provide some amp readings for DBS and Tiablo?Thanks anyway for your perfect work!

 

[WadeF]

I wonder if Mev got a version that runs hotter than normal. We just had a situation with Regalight sending out pills that were seriously over driving the LED to produce some crazy numbers. Then the fixed pill far under performed the original advertised specs.

Tiablo's A1 also advertised 110 out the front lumens, 180 emitter lumens, but Tiablo lowered the output at the time of release to improve runtime, yet continued to advertise the original specs and some dealer's like batteryjunction are still advertising those false specs that Tiablo provided them with.

Anyone know if Selfbuilt is getting an A10? 🙂 We need more test subjects. 🙂

 

[TITAN1833]

I wonder if Mev got a version that runs hotter than normal. We just had a situation with Regalight sending out pills that were seriously over driving the LED to produce some crazy numbers. Then the fixed pill far under performed the original advertised specs.

Tiablo's A1 also advertised 110 out the front lumens, 180 emitter lumens, but Tiablo lowered the output at the time of release to improve runtime, yet continued to advertise the original specs and some dealer's like batteryjunction are still advertising those false specs that Tiablo provided them with.

Anyone know if Selfbuilt is getting an A10? 🙂 We need more test subjects. 🙂

I don't think selfbuilt is getting one,but what usually happens in this scenario the DBS walks away with the crown :devil:
I maybe wrong though so don't get LOL too loud :tinfoil:

 

[naked2]

Come on guys help erns out here post some of your beam shots as words alone are useless without them 😀

Mev only does white wall shots. 🙁

I wonder if Mev got a version that runs hotter than normal.

...what usually happens in this scenario the DBS walks away with the crown :devil:
I maybe wrong though so don't get LOL too loud :tinfoil:

Myself and FlashCrazy (who we all know sells DBS, so I think he can be considered unbiased!) both got the higher current readings on our samples without the tailcap, unlike erns. Mev and FlashCrazy both got higher Lux readings than the DBS on their samples with the multimode switch , and they were only 60% of Mev's Lux reading with the forward clicky. lightforce2 also reports (visually) his sample has higher output with the forward clicky than the DBS R2.

So four are reporting higher output with the forward switch, and only one reports the same output. My conclusion would not be that Mev got a "hot" one, but rather that erns got a "dud". 🙁

Anyone know if Selfbuilt is getting an A10? 🙂 We need more test subjects. 🙂

I agree. We should also ask FlashCrazy if he's received his new switch yet, and if he has, for some new Lux readings.

 

[evenchaos]

Mev only does white wall shots. 🙁
Myself and FlashCrazy (who we all know sells DBS, so I think he can be considered unbiased!) both got the higher current readings on our samples without the tailcap, unlike erns. Mev and FlashCrazy both got higher Lux readings than the DBS on their samples with the multimode switch , and they were only 60% of Mev's Lux reading with the forward clicky. lightforce2 also reports (visually) his sample has higher output with the forward clicky than the DBS R2.

So four are reporting higher output with the forward switch, and only one reports the same output. My conclusion would not be that Mev got a "hot" one, but rather that erns got a "dud". 🙁

Make that five. I also measured significantly greater current readings (thats 2W vs 3W+ power draw) without the multimode tailcap.

 

[TITAN1833]

Hmm:thinking: I was thinking more the guys that report much brighter beam shots at distance to post "beam shots",ah well I guess I'll have to wait for Ern's to get a new pill then


[edit]Oh and I'll say again lux readings mean nothing @1m for throw.At least do the reading @30m.

Just take the DBS MC-E V DBS Q5 OR R2and A10 R2 what has the higher lux@1m?,answer the MCE most likely,now take them for a walk! say 100m and report back!!! just my 0.2 cents worth.