Tiablo A9 Battery help

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I realized that it is time to get a good flashlight. I've decided on the Tiablo A9, to be used as a car light and for general household/daily needs. I figured that I would use rechargeable batteries most of the time, and keep CR123's for a reliable back up/"I forgot to charge my batteries".

Can anyone suggest a battery and charger set up for the A9? I have been searching on here for a day or so and it seems like RCR123's are the way to go over the 18650, is that right? So I'm looking for a specific battery set up. I'm looking for a decent setup, but I don't want to spend $50 on batteries for my $70 light.

Another question: How long with rechargeable batteries hold their charge while sitting unused?

Thanks for the replies
MadMan
 
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You may have diffuculty with protected rechargeable 16340s, I found many of them a little too long. I spent a while using unprotected until I found some shorter ones. I am now using Solarforce protected batteries, both the 16340s and 18650s are the shortest protected cells I have found. There are at least 2 suppliers on Ebay.
 
You might want to choose another light for the jobs you are assigning this one. In the car might be okay but the A9 is NOT a great "general household/daily needs" light. It has the tiniest hotspot I've ever seen and almost no spill. There are much better choices.

The A8 is optimized for the 18650 and the A9 is optimized for 2xCR123's. You can still use an 18650 but you will lose just a little output (you probably won't even notice). However, you are better off with CR123's in a vehicle because rechargeable lithiums suffer in the temperature extremes. Any/all of the lights I carry in my car have CR123 primaries only.
 
Z32MM, the A9 also does not regulate as well on 18650s as it does on cr123s unlike the A8.
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I realized that it is time to get a good flashlight. I've decided on the Tiablo A9, to be used as a car light and for general household/daily needs. I figured that I would use rechargeable batteries most of the time, and keep CR123's for a reliable back up/"I forgot to charge my batteries".

Can anyone suggest a battery and charger set up for the A9? I have been searching on here for a day or so and it seems like RCR123's are the way to go over the 18650, is that right? So I'm looking for a specific battery set up. I'm looking for a decent setup, but I don't want to spend $50 on batteries for my $70 light.

Another question: How long with rechargeable batteries hold their charge while sitting unused?

Thanks for the replies
MadMan

Considering your primary intent of using the 18650 rechargeable first and then the CR123's just for backup, I'd recommend you get the A8 rather than the A9 light.
They are virtually identical lights, but the A9's driver is best optimized for the 6 volts of the 2xCR123 while the A8 is best optimized for the 3.7 volt 18650 battery even though both lights will work with either battery set.

I have the A9 which I intentionally bought for use as a backup flashlight on CR123's during times when the power goes out and I can't recharge.
I have several other 18650 lights that I use for the purpose of using "free" rechargeables in them.

Wattnot is not totally wrong when he says that the A9 (or A8) has a bright hot spot, but that's what makes them such throwers. The Tiablo's are among the best throwers available.
However, I would recommend that you buy it with the OP reflector rather than the SM because it's still a great thrower with the OP, but you get a softer hotspot and a little better spill.

For batteries, I have half a dozen of the 2600 Tenergy protected 18650 that I bought from Battery Junction, and they've been doing great. I have no complaints with them at all. But the AW batteries seem to have a good following here on CPF as well.

For a charger, don't even consider a charger other than the Pila IBC. It's not that expensive, and it's one of the best, trouble free and accurate chargers I've owned. It's also very simple; just plug it in and insert the batteries and forget about it until the light turns color.
I know you don't want to spend much on batteries or charger, but look at it as a one-time expense. If you don't run the batteries to "0" dead and keep them out of high heat, they'll last for years.
Also realize that skimping on this stuff is like anything else; if you buy cheap stuff that doesn't last, you'll have to buy it again and end up paying much more than if you had just spent what you should have in the first place.

Lastly, I don't really know how long the LithIon batteries last unused in storage, but I can promise you that it's more months than I've ever needed.
My routine is to keep my 18650's fully charged and in a plastic container while I use the ones I need in my lights. After what is typically 2 or 3 months, I just go ahead and change out the charged/stored batteries for the ones in the lights and then charge them.
I have yet, in only a couple of months or more, to find one of my 18650 lights go dim. In fact, when I check those "used" batteries on my ZTS meter before charging, they typically still show to be at 80% charge, and none have been found to be below 60%.
Keep in mind that it does no harm at all to recharge LithIon batteries that are only slightly used, while allowing them to be driven down to "dead-dead" will most definitely shorten their life span.
 
I have an A9 (should have been an A8), I have used rcr123a's, primary cr123a's, didn't like them.
I made the switch to 18650 because I also have a Dereelight DBS so now I
only use AW 18650 & Tenergy 18650 2600ma, both have worked well.

The advice in the above posts by Zenster is spot on!!

cheers
 
I am now considering a Dereelight CL1H V4, for 18650 usage and the fact that it is smaller.

Anyone have any experience with this light? I searched a while and can't find too much about the V4. Is it worth getting the V4 over the V3?

What is the best place to buy AW 18650s?
Thanks
 
I am now considering a Dereelight CL1H V4, for 18650 usage and the fact that it is smaller.

Anyone have any experience with this light? I searched a while and can't find too much about the V4. Is it worth getting the V4 over the V3?

What is the best place to buy AW 18650s?
Thanks
What is the best place to buy AW 18650s?
Lighthound for lightning fast shipping and great customer service:

www.lighthound.com
 
Z32Madman:

You've picked a couple of extremely bright/throwy lights for car and home use.

And you've picked a form factor (18650) which requires, IMO, a bit of homework to manage properly (overcharging, overdischarging, storage, handling, disposal). FYI: The Welcome Mat

I find far more use in the house and in the car for my 10-lumen Gerber Infinity than I do for my Tiablo A9S. And the ease of caring for the AA rechargeable NiMH batteries is much less than managing the 18650 cell. Besides, the Gerber runs forever on a single AA. I worry about recharging it once every few months, not because the light is too dim, but because of force of habit!

I'd suggest you re-evaluate your needs and the pros-and-cons of Li-ion batteries. I think you'll find that a floody, multi-mode 2xAA flashlight will fit your needs. 80-100 lumens max output will probably suffice, but based on your previous selections, you might be happier with something that maxes out in the 150-180 lumen range.

A starting point would be this quality light: Fenix L2D CE Q5

Good luck!

P.S. Don't forget about power failures/emergency situations. You might want to pick up a light that can work off of primaries (nonrechargeable batteries) in a pinch. So, if you do eventually settle on an 18650-powered flashlight, try to get one that is compatible with CR-123A's.

Or do what most flashaholics do, have enough flashlights in their inventory to light up their neighborhood for a week without recharging a single battery. :crackup:
 
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