Tiablo TL-1 Mini-Review

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Finding this forum has really sent my flashlight buying compulsions into overboard! The newest addition to the collection is this Tiablo TL-1 that I purchased from 4sevens. It is my first Tiablo as I wasn't sure what to make of the brand after reading threads here and on the marketplace. Having them available at a reputable dealer helped to push me over the edge.
Upon arrival I was pleased to find it quite nicely packaged in snappy cardboard box with magnetic latch. The flashlight itself is very nicely machined and finished. The color of the anodizing is very even from part to part and reminds me of the finish on my Jetbeam III ST. I was also extremely happy to find the reflector and AR coated lens nice and clean. Last of all, everything comes apart easily enough with nice o-rings everywhere you would expect them. Overall build quality seems to be right up there with the best in my opinion.
Unfortunately one other thing jumped out at me that I didn't like so well… I could definitely figure out the battery orientation without the help of this logo: :huh:

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I was also a little surprised by the length of this flashlight given that it is 1 x AA! Maybe I was distracted by the teeth while shopping. Regardless, the overall length puts it somewhere in between a "normal" size AA light and some of the smaller powerhouse lights such as the P10C2.

From left to right; Jetbeam III ST, Eagletac P10C2, Tiablo TL-1, Nitecore D10:
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Here is another shot. From left to right; Nitecore D10, Tiablo TL-1, Ese LZ2, Jetbeam III ST, Fenix PD20:
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To start things out I put in a freshly conditioned and charged (using C9000) Eneloop battery and clicked the TL-1 on. First impressions were fantastic as it was clear this light is pushing the emitter harder then any other AA light I have tried (using Eneloops). The beam is a fairly cool in tint and close to white in my eyes. I tend to like warmer tints better, but all in all I can't complain as it is more neutral then many of my other lights. Here are some measurements I took using my mediocre light meter LX1010B and multimeter:

Current at tailcap using freshly charged Eneloop - 1.68 Amps
Light Meter Readings from 1 Meter using Eneloop batteries: Tiablo TL-1 2720 lux, Nitecore D10 1420 lux, Ese LZ2 1300 lux, Ultrafire C3 870lux

The beam on the TL-1 is quite a tight cone of light. It does not put out much sidespill as you can see in the beamshots further down. I would describe the beam as being quite throwy because of this. There is also a very tight and well defined hotspot in the middle of it all. The beam has very smooth transitions and keeps the cree rings nicely under control. While I would prefer a bit more sidespill, such as the Fenix PD or LD series, this TL-1 has a very nice quality to the beam. Almost like shining a Malkoff M60 at the wall and carving the center out. My apologies if this doesn't make sense.
Next I changed out the battery for a freshly charged Trustfire 14500. Tiablo says this thing puts out 230 lumens so expecations were high! Unfortunately I am quite certain that my flashlight isn't reaching these lofty numbers. In reality, I knew this would likely be the case. The TL-1 is indeed quite bright though and easily walks all over my Nitecore D10 (also using 14500 for this comparison). My best guess is that it is putting out about the same amount of light as a Fenix PD20 on turbo. Here are the measurements I got for this setup:

Current at tailcap using freshly charged Trustfire 14500 - .65 Amps
Light meter readings from 1 meter with all using lithium chemistry batteries: Tiablo TL-1 4100 lux, Nitecore D10 2020 lux, Fenix PD20 4320 lux, Nitecore Extreme SS Bezel 4600 lux.

Before going on to the beamshots, here are a few more pictures showing a comparison from the front and some detail of the head and switch:

Front shot, from left to right: Nitecore D10, Tiablo TL-1, Fenix PD20, Jetbeam III ST
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Here are some beamshots, the Tiablo TL-1 is always on the left:
TL-1 vs Nitecore D10 (Eneloops for both)
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Again compared to D10 with faster exposure:
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TL-1 (14500 battery) vs PD20 (CR123 primary):
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Faster exposure TL-1 vs PD20:
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I have beamshots comparing the TL-1 to most of my flashlights but think it might be overboard to post them all. Let me know if there is some combination that you want to see.

I am running out of time but need to mention the user interface. To be short, I am not impressed. As described there are essentially two user defined modes. The first (A) is essentially your light mode, allowing you to set brightness as you like. The second mode (B) is the gizmo mode with strobe or other "special effects". Once setup, you can move between modes A & B by turning on and off the light as is common. On a positive note, I haven't had any accidental mode switching while turning it on and off.

[EDIT - thanks to a fellow CPF member I have found the following is incorrect. You can set mode B to a low beam!]
The thing I don't like is that gizmo mode B is worthless for my purpose. It won't allow you to set mode B as an actual light - just the flashing features. This prevents me from setting up how I would like, which would be a low beam for mode A and then a high beam for mode B.


When adjusting brightness for mode A, the ramping sequence moves fairly quickly but also very smoothly. The low mode doesn't go as low as my D10. It is lower then the lowest setting on my PD/LD20 though. I think I could grow to like the interface if it always worked.

This brings me to the biggest problem I have encountered... For some reason it is almost impossible to get the light to go into the programming mode when using a lithium 14500 battery. :duh2: I have tried and tried only to get it working once or twice. Programming works fine with the Eneloop batteries however. Using the Eneloops it has never missed a beat when following the programing sequence. At first I thought maybe it was an issue with the extra length of the 14500 battery compared to the Eneloop. I switched it out with a similar but unprotected and shorter 14500 but had the same problems. Not sure what is causing this, but this seems like a serious problem to me.

If not for the programming problem when using lithium batteries I would really like this light. It runs so bright on Eneloops that I can almost forgive the shortcomings.
 
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Thanks for the first look and great pics. 🙂
I still can't really get my head around the UI of the light but from what I understand it's kinda gimmicky. I'm also not impressed by the apparent current draw on 14500s.
Some things look great but some things not so much. :scowl:
 
The ouput seems good. The lux numbers are slightly higher than Fenix LD10's, but I don't think that it can have 230 lumens with 0.65A current draw from 14500 battery. Also the UI sounds too complicated...
 
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There is no way the TL-1 is getting anywhere near 230 lumens. Both my eyes and the light meter are telling me it is putting out the same or less lumens than the Nitecore Extreme, PD20, LD20 and Jet III ST. All of which are rated at less then 230. The Eagletac P10C2 takes it to another level altogether. Regardless of this, it is the brightest AA format light I have tried yet. Sorry that I don't have the Jet I to compare with. If I were betting on a number I would guess it is doing about 170 lumens with a 14500.

Not being able to change the memory while using 14500's is proving to be very discouraging though. In the process of playing with the UI I have also found the ridges near the operation button to be quite sharp. There are 4 points at the edge of the two ridges:
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My thumb is getting sore after too many attempts to get into the program mode. A shame as the machining is so good otherwise. I also really like the metal clicky button.
 
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I don't like the size. If I'm going to be carrying around such a long/wide light it might as well be powered by a 18650.
 
Unfortunately one other thing jumped out at me that I didn't like so well… I could definitely figure out the battery orientation without the help of this logo: :huh:

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I have one on the way.... strange they didn't show this part of the body in the advertised images. I can't remember the last time I see such a BIG battery symbol on a body. :thinking:
 
Thank you for taking the plunge on behalf of enquiring CPF minds....

thats one BIG single AA light...seriously..

Crenshaw
 
SuperGravy -

Finally, I switched to an eneloop cell tried the modes. After a half hour, I think I'm finally a pro at switching/setting the modes on this light 🙂

Once you learn them, they're actuall pretty cool, you can set the B mode to just about anything you want, including constand brightness levels.

Right now, I have A mode set on constant high and B mode on constant low.

Thanks for the tips, I appreciate it.
 
I have one on the way.... strange they didn't show this part of the body in the advertised images. I can't remember the last time I see such a BIG battery symbol on a body. :thinking:
I find the battery symbol to be "tacky". At first I thought it was a sticker and tried to pull it off, only to find that its permanent.
 
SuperGravy -

Once you learn them, they're actuall pretty cool, you can set the B mode to just about anything you want, including constand brightness levels.

Right now, I have A mode set on constant high and B mode on constant low.

Thank you for this Coppertrail!

For Mode B the Tiablo manual only lists blinking, battery check and "show off" modes. Turns out that if you shut it off during "show off" mode it will stay at the last brightness level shown. Beware that it ramps up and down much faster in this mode compared to mode A.
 
The really cool thing is you can disable strobe/SOS levels on B mode and set it to a constant brightness level. This, you don't have to put up with those modes, but if you even need them, you can program them in.

There's got to be a trick to setting/changing modes with the Li-Ion cells, I'll give it another try on my end.
 
The "0.9-4.2 Cree Q5 LED", "TL-1" logos and that HUGE battery symbol is the only reason why I'm not buying this flashlight. :thumbsdow

They could just print Tiablo and TL-1 with a decent font to make it look clean. Now it seems to be like a cheap DX flashlight, with specifications all around the body: like "2x18650 4.2-9v P7 ultrabright LED 900 lumens Tactical flashlight"
 
I wanted to update that I am now able to get into the programming mode when using a 14500. Seems like it starts to work once the battery has run down a bit. At the point it started working I took the battery out and found it to have a resting voltage of 3.9V. Dunno what this is about but I am happy that it kind of works.

The light is otherwise growing on me. Once programmed, the user interface works pretty well. I have also been very impressed by the regulation. My test is pretty informal, I check the peak throw and then measure it again as the battery wears down. With both Lithium and NiMH batteries, there is a slight increase in output with a fresh off the charger battery. It almost immediately settles down and then runs very flat from there on out. When running at regulation my meter shows the hot spot at 2720 lux on a Eneloop and 3900 lux when using a 14500.

I am curious if anyone else has recieved this light and is having trouble getting into the programming mode when using a 14500?
 
Hi Super -

Its interesting that you say this light is "growing" on you. I had the exact same thought over the past 2 days. Once you get the modes down, its amazing, you can have virtually any mode you want in one light.

I will wear down my Li-Ion cell and let you know at what point I'm able to change/set modes. I know that the cells is fresh, probably around 4.1, 4.15V.

Also, some have remarked about the size of the light. I think its perfect. One of the things that grows on you is how amazing the grip is. Its hard to describe, but its also very easy to use the push button with a one handed grip.

As far as length, if it were any shorter, you'd not be able to use the bezel for self defense, etc, so I think I know where they're coming from there.

I can easily see this becoming my EDC, and am glad to have made the purchase.
 
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Any chance you guys own a Nitecore NDI? I would love to see what you have to say when comparing the two lights.

Thanks for the current info on this new light.

Dan
 
Thanks for the review. I'm a bit disappointed the LED isn't driven any harder than it is. Real missed opportunity there imho. The size of the spill and hotspot looks more like something I'd expect from an optic. Any chance you could do a beamshot comparison versus a Surefire E1B or similar?
 
Fellas, thanks for posting the pics, reviews and extra comments... I just came across this light on the 4-7's site and was considering it. The size of the light is a bit disconcerting at first since it seems so much larger than even a NC D10 - which I find a perfect size for use and edc. By comparison, I find the NC EX10 to be just a wee bit too small.

It looks like the a very good light with the programmable modes but it misses the mark just a bit due to size and output. I would be interested in knowing actual runtimes so let me know if you can test and post.
 
I'm finding the beam to be great for practical use, especially with the mode levels.
 
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