Trespassers

macemagnus said:
But seriously... Living in a country that has a long tradition of the right of public access
http://www.naturvardsverket.se/en/In-English/Menu/Enjoying-nature/The-right-of-public-access/
makes me think that everyonein Sweden should think twice about what's so easily taken for granted.
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**Tangent Warning**

I'm trying to understand this "right of public access" and from what I can see on the website it appears to apply to areas that are already owned by government space (parks, trails, mountains, etc).

I know that the concept of land ownership tends to be a fairly American desire that's not shared as much by the rest of the world but if you owned a few square kilometers of land does this right of public access allow people to wander in and setup camp or party there? Even if you don't want them to?

It seems to me based on reading that site that it pretty much only applies to areas already designated for public use, similar to our city, state and national park systems, or at the very least areas not already claimed for other use.
 
DimeRazorback said:
Keep calling the police.

If they get calls every night, they may just start checking out the area more often, without receiving calls.
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Or they'll just start ignoring you.

If these are adults and you know where they live, ask the police (nicely) if they could pay them a visit. I know you shouldn't have to ask police officers to do their jobs but sometimes you have to. If this has been going on for as long as it appears, and given the amount of info. you seem to have on these idiots, the police aren't doing their jobs.

Good luck.
 
Having a party in their yard and messing it up sounds like something that *might* work. I think it would really get the point across. And if they have the gall to press charges, you can too. And *you* have documented evidence and records of calls to the police, etc...
I would definitely take a camera and another person with you. Video cameras are small and cheap now. And you should begin the encounter by warning them that they're being recorded. I'd check with local law enforcement about legal ways to gather video evidence so it is admissible in court. I'd also check with your local law enforcement regarding local laws relevant to trespassing. If you just look at federal and state laws, some quirky local law can still trip you up. My parents had some trouble with trespassers last year and found out that "No Trespassing" signs needed (for some reason) to have the land owner's phone number posted on them.
Call your local law enforcement and ask if you can speak to someone about your situation. In a rural area, I would bet that trespassing issues are common and a lot of the LEOs have the relevant laws memorized.
You might also just call the police the next time *without* warning the trespassers, and ask if they can come in without lights or sirens and do a sting operation.(of sorts) They could probably catch them in the act.
Good luck with it. *Definitely* take someone else with you, if/when you confront them again. And a video camera would probably help your case a lot. Keep us posted.
 
I know that the concept of land ownership tends to be a fairly American desire that's not shared as much by the rest of the world but if you owned a few square kilometers of land does this right of public access allow people to wander in and setup camp or party there? Even if you don't want them to?
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If i remember correctly...Yes

However, Don't disturb & don't destroy applies🙂 You are not allowed to set up camp, one night only, or party..:sssh: in someones front/back garden or within the area surrounding your house, usually the area around the house that has a fence or similar surrounding it.
An easy way to decide where not to go when out walking/camping is; don't walk in someones garden, dont set up camp if I can see the house or they could hear me.
Don't walk in fields wher crops are growing, don't disturb livestock.
Don't moore (? tie up your boat) within reasonable distance oc someones jetty etc.

In short.... Don't be an a**hole😗

I am also allowed to pick berries, mushrooms, flowers and fruit as long as I stay out of Your garden, and orchards of course!!!!
I can not cut down trees, break branches etc.

It is a delicate right that works as long as we use common sense (someone said, the sad thing about common sense is that it's not very...)
Another problem is that tourists arrive thinking that they can run around in the wild doing whatever they feel like:scowl:
But they are not properly informed when arriving so....? Native Swedes are far from perfect...

All regulations, local and state laws concerning endangered species, plant life, animal life, etc, etc apply and overide the right of..
Come elk hunting season.... wear something bright😱

Not to hard to live by if You've been brought up here, but not so easy to explain😗

Some belive that it has to change with open borders and all, I hope not.

/M
 
Go out and buy yourself a **** :devil:! (Now, Ill explain...)

A **** is one of those intimidator type weapons that is done up to look extremely vicious and has the BALLS to back up the point your trying to make.

I would suggest a classic. A Remington 870 Magnum with a Surefire forend light system, a tactical pistol grip and extender stock by blackhawk, and an EO Tech holo sight system 😀.

These guys start screwing around on your property, WHERE YOUR CHILDREN PLAY AND ARE SUPPOSED TO FEEL SAFE, the good solid rack of that piece of steel is gonna make em think twice 'bout stayin around 😱. If that doesnt work by itself... hearing the rack and being lit up like a second sun just rose will prolly have em leaving poop trails all the way back to momma (which the coppers can use to track em down:thumbsup🙂...

This is just my suggestion... but Ill admit I am a GIANT redneck, and DO NOT take well to people screwing around on my property, let alone with my family! (Its also a great excuse to spend a butt load of money on some cool new toys :twothumbs)
 
If i remember correctly...Yes

However, Don't disturb & don't destroy applies🙂 You are not allowed to set up camp, one night only, or party..:sssh: in someones front/back garden or within the area surrounding your house, usually the area around the house that has a fence or similar surrounding it.
An easy way to decide where not to go when out walking/camping is; don't walk in someones garden, dont set up camp if I can see the house or they could hear me.
Don't walk in fields wher crops are growing, don't disturb livestock.
Don't moore (? tie up your boat) within reasonable distance oc someones jetty etc.

In short.... Don't be an a**hole😗

I am also allowed to pick berries, mushrooms, flowers and fruit as long as I stay out of Your garden, and orchards of course!!!!
I can not cut down trees, break branches etc.

It is a delicate right that works as long as we use common sense (someone said, the sad thing about common sense is that it's not very...)
Another problem is that tourists arrive thinking that they can run around in the wild doing whatever they feel like:scowl:
But they are not properly informed when arriving so....? Native Swedes are far from perfect...

All regulations, local and state laws concerning endangered species, plant life, animal life, etc, etc apply and overide the right of..
Come elk hunting season.... wear something bright😱

Not to hard to live by if You've been brought up here, but not so easy to explain😗

Some belive that it has to change with open borders and all, I hope not.
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I think it is wonderful!
Here in an another part of (NW) Europe the laws are not that loose (or free)
After sunset you are not even allowed to be in the forest.
But at the other hand you don't risk being killed just for walking around on the wrong spot like in some other countries
 
Alberta-Blue said:
Go out and buy yourself a **** :devil:! (Now, Ill explain...)

A **** is one of those intimidator type weapons that is done up to look extremely vicious and has the BALLS to back up the point your trying to make.

I would suggest a classic. A Remington 870 Magnum with a Surefire forend light system, a tactical pistol grip and extender stock by blackhawk, and an EO Tech holo sight system 😀.

These guys start screwing around on your property, WHERE YOUR CHILDREN PLAY AND ARE SUPPOSED TO FEEL SAFE, the good solid rack of that piece of steel is gonna make em think twice 'bout stayin around 😱. If that doesnt work by itself... hearing the rack and being lit up like a second sun just rose will prolly have em leaving poop trails all the way back to momma (which the coppers can use to track em down:thumbsup🙂...

This is just my suggestion... but Ill admit I am a GIANT redneck, and DO NOT take well to people screwing around on my property, let alone with my family! (Its also a great excuse to spend a butt load of money on some cool new toys :twothumbs)
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Very interesting. If I am going to buy an 870 I want the real thing! 🙂

Lucky for them the only person that they have messed with is me. If they come anywhere near my house or the Wife and kids someones getting a butt whoopin'!

I am trying to handle the situation in a calm and rational manner, but the crap they pulled the other night sure makes it hard.
 
Nitroz said:
Sometimes I wish reality could be like cartoons. You smash someone flat with a big hammer, the whole time laughing and then they go back to full size after a few minutes.:crackup:
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:laughing: I am glad we aren't cartoons, I think we must suffer consequences of our transgressions. :whoopin:
 
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there was a 'party' spot on some vacant land in front of me, near the highway -- beer bottles and trash abounded, until I hid the carcass of a dead coyote under a bush nearby..

in case you've never had the pleasure of standing downwind of a rotting corpse, the stink of that thing passed beyond an odor to actual pain upon entering the nostril..

no more overnight partiers in the area since..
 
On a similar note, you could put some of THIS all over the area on your property where the trespassers frequent...
 
LumenHound said:
There actually is a skunk spray that can be used to clear away people.
Sky News skunk spray report
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That is great, where can I purchase some:green:?

Nitroz, have you been calling the Monroe P.D. or Walton County S.O.?

Georgia DNR Rangers deal with trespassers often and may be of more assistance.

Walton County (found this online):
Ranger Jessica Spencer
Wildlife Resources Division
Region III Law Enforcement
142 Bob Kirk Road
Thomson, GA 30824-6727

(706) 595-5639
(706) 595-4211


Sergeant Brian Carter
Wildlife Resources Division
Region III Law Enforcement
142 Bob Kirk Road
Thomson, GA 30824-6727

(706) 595-5639
(706) 595-4211


Corporal Julian Wilkins
Wildlife Resources Division
Region III Law Enforcement
142 Bob Kirk Road
Thomson, GA 30824-6727

(706) 595-5639
(706) 595-4211


Ranger First Class Nick Jenkins
Wildlife Resources Division
Region III Law Enforcement
142 Bob Kirk Road
Thomson, GA 30824-6727

(706) 595-5639
(706) 595-4211


There is a lot of advice online, and it sounds like you may have already read some of it. There are a number of legal remedies that you have. Here are a few good tips:

http://www.ehow.com/how_2063791_sue-trespass.html

And a few more:

When observed:
1. Call the nearest law enforcement official.
2. Ask the trespasser to leave. You may ask for a name and a license number.
3. Document the situation by photographing or video taping trespassers, their activities, their vehicle, and points of entry relative to your posting.
4. In the case of a repeat trespasser, consider sending the individual(s) a letter by certified mail informing them that if they are caught trespassing you will pursue prosecution under state trespass laws as well as in civil courts for any damages. Include in the letter, a map that clearly defines your property boundaries. You may wish to consult an attorney versed in property law to help you draft and send this letter. Often a letter from an attorney will serve as additional notice of your resolve to prosecute.
5. In addition, you may bring a civil action suit against the trespasser or file a complaint with the county attorney against the trespasser. If a civil action is brought and won, the trespasser could be required to pay the landowner or lessee for all injury resulting from the trespass. Such damages may include the access fee he landowner normally charges hunters. Punitive damages, above and beyond the actual damages, may also be recovered.

The fact that you actively seek prosecution of trespassers will send a message to others that you are serious about trespass. This message may do more to prevent future situations than anything else you do.


What not to do:
1. Force them off your land with threats of physical violence or at gunpoint.
2, Confiscate their property to include driver's license, rifles, equipment, or vehicles.
3. Physically detain them.
4. Request money or materials goods from them in return for not prosecuting them. Remember, if your property is not proven to be properly posted in court, you could open yourself up to additional charges by these actions. Any attempts to do any of the above may end up in you being prosecuted for assault, battery, false imprisonment and theft of property.

Lastly, remember if there were to be violence in a confrontation between a landowner and trespasser, the landowner may not enjoy the protection of the law if force was used. The legality of the force would be determined by what was reasonable necessary. Law enforcement officers can do far more for a landowner with a good description and license plate number than with a pair of angry people.
 
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to Nitroz --


Truly saddened by what i've heard (read) about your situation. :shakehead


Sadly, the next time this event occurs . . . .

perhaps the safest course of action is for you
to bring along a Lawyer, and a Film Crew.


Best of Luck (and health) to you and your loved ones, Nitroz.

_
 
chibato said:
That is great, where can I purchase some:green:?

Nitroz, have you been calling the Monroe P.D. or Walton County S.O.?

Georgia DNR Rangers deal with trespassers often and may be of more assistance.

Walton County (found this online):
Ranger Jessica Spencer
Wildlife Resources Division
Region III Law Enforcement
142 Bob Kirk Road
Thomson, GA 30824-6727
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That's some excellent information! Thank You.

I was wondering if the Ranger would be more help to me in this case, maybe so.

Right now things have been quiet for now.
 
Burgess said:
to Nitroz --


Truly saddened by what i've heard (read) about your situation. :shakehead


Sadly, the next time this event occurs . . . .
perhaps the safest course of action is for you
to bring along a Lawyer, and a Film Crew.

Best of Luck (and health) to you and your loved ones, Nitroz.

_
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No doubt!

Why does being the good guy always have to be the hard part. 🙂

Thanks!
 
Mjolnir said:
On a similar note, you could put some of THIS all over the area on your property where the trespassers frequent...
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I really like the idea of using this skunk stuff. Get this stuff on your shoes and it will never come off.

I had a friend that threw a flashlight at a skunk. The skunk sprayed the light and even after years you could still smell the stench some.
 
I've heard that finely chopped skunk cabbage can smell pretty nasty for a short while. I wonder how much of it one would have to use in order for the scent to be really noticeable 200 feet down wind?
 
speaking of skunk cabbage -along that line. Go to an Asian market and get a couple of durian fruits and spread it around where the jerks party.
 
I can only add a couple things to what's already been posted.

1.) Around here, it's a good idea to have "no trespassing" signs in Spanish as well as English, and posted ALL OVER THE PLACE. If you ever do go to court, the "I don't read English" or "I didn't see the sign" defense won't work nearly as well.

2.) Why the hell did you not have your Glock on you when you confronted the trespassers the other times?

3.) I am, yet again, glad I don't live in Europe.

Good luck. Please keep us posted.
 
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