Truck-Lite 7" LED HEADLIGHT

Changchung

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What do you think about it?

http://www.truck-lite.com/webapp/wc...S/12vLEDHeadlamp.html&storeId=10001&langId=-1

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You didn't buy those, did you?

I can say that they are the best legal aftermarket LED headlamp replacement I've seen.

I can also say that the light output is butt-ugly. It has a round hotspot, to be expected from the TIRs. Then it has two dimmer wings to either side of the hotspot.

GhostDakota took some pics a while back on a different forum. Let me dig 'em up
LED on the right, Halogen on the left
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color:
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Contrasted with an OEM LED headlight:
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I wouldn't crap on something the guy already bought.

I would also say that basically anything would be an improvement over the stock assemblies on that particular vehicle.
 
Homemade headlights are illegal.

Also, that pic you borrowed from the other thread shows a fundamental problem with that retrofit. The lens still says "DOT", but the light is no longer certified to be DOT compliant due to the replacement of the original light sources with light sources it wasn't designed to use.

Fine for "off road" use, but don't put it in a vehicle used on a public road.
 
I wouldn't crap on something the guy already bought.

Um...what? That's not a very thoughtful comment. The guy asked for opinions on the lamps, which are in fact poor performers. You sound like you think we should all congratulate him on his purchase and blow smoke up his heinie about what a wise choice he made, what great lights they are, etc. How would that help anyone or anything?

I would also say that basically anything would be an improvement over the stock assemblies on that particular vehicle.

There's no objective basis for that opinion.
 
Daniel Stern and Rallylights.com both make nice kits for Jeeps.
I have the Rallylights kit; in retrospect, I should've gotten the Cibie housings from DS.

But I was out in the desert a few weeks ago, moonless night, middle of nowhere. And it was nice, sorry, NICE to be able to see.
I lit up the HIDs too and we putted along slowly, checking out the critters and cacti and all.

No beamshots; sorry.
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I just returned from Eurosatory where I had a chat with Truck-Lite UK representants.
As I imagined, they have no ECE approval - after all, the way this headlamp is designed it will be very hard to create the needed sharp cut-off required in Europe)

But what worries me is the DOT approval they claim to have.
According to what they told us, it is SELF-CERTIFIED.

I don't know what exactly the law in the US is, but I know that ECE approval in Europe is obtained only by testing made by an independent lab.

The lab should be (I think) approved by the DOT and must have ISO 17025.

Maybe Scheinwerfermann can explain
 
I read the explanations in both posts - unbelieveable.
That means USA is heaven on earth for all the Chinese c**p for example.
Now I understand why every single product I see has the DOT mark on it.

I am wondering where is this written or explained officialy.

So, suppose someone takes these Truck-Lite headlamps to say Cal-Sense Lab, and they will not pass any of the (almost) 9 tests included in the SAE headlamp standard, then what? Truck-Lite will need to recall more than 250000 lamps they claim to have on the market? They will be erased from the earth's surface if they do.

I really need a clarification on this point.
 
I read the explanations in both posts - unbelieveable.
That means USA is heaven on earth for all the Chinese c**p for example.
Now I understand why every single product I see has the DOT mark on it.
And why a reputable company won't use the mark unless they're sure they'll pass such tests. The junk companies don't care whether they comply with anything-- they'll find a buyer and it's hard for them to be taken to court over it.

So, suppose someone takes these Truck-Lite headlamps to say Cal-Sense Lab, and they will not pass any of the (almost) 9 tests included in the SAE headlamp standard, then what? Truck-Lite will need to recall more than 250000 lamps they claim to have on the market? They will be erased from the earth's surface if they do.

I really need a clarification on this point.

If the guy getting the test done files a complaint with the NHTSA, I suppose that's what could happen. The DOT could take some actions against the maker if they confirm that the lights are non-conforming.

Scheinwerfermann can probably cite the applicable regs for that sort of situation-- and he probably can cite examples of such things occuring.

As for Truck-Lite, I'm sure they're not just marking the lens DOT for the fun of it.
 
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I really need a clarification on this point.

As there are several things quoted and I don't know on which one you need clarification, I will try to explain my point:

Cal Sense is an independent testing facility working under ISO17025 and approved by the SAE. When they release an approval for a product according to a certain SAE standard one can be sure it was tested properly and "with no corners rounded".

SAE standard for any certain automotive illumination device usually includes several tests, where photometry is only part of the approval. Among other things these tests include vibration, heat (operation and storage), deformation possible after these tests, lens chemical and mechanical resistance, water/dust impermeablity, voltage changes, EMI compliance and etc.

According to the method described, in order to self-certify a product a manufacturer needs the necessary facilities and equipment. Suppose someone decides photometry is enough and the rest should be his concern related to warranty issues and decides to deal with these problems when and if they will happen and rushes to put the DOT on the product and starts marketing it (kind of "jump and god will help you"). Why? Well, in this case 250000 reasons.

Now, suppose someone decides to take a lamp and send it for testing for example at Cal Sense and it comes out that the lamp is not passing one or several test items according to the SAE headlamp standard, and files a complaint at NHTSA. If fines and recall is the punisment the meaning is Truck Lite will probably go down.


As for Truck-Lite, I'm sure they're not just marking the lens DOT for the fun of it.

Not for fun is for sure, the military likes them, 164000 Hummers are supposed to pass the RECAP program in the next years and the MRAP project is going on at full throttle.

Last september there was a military show in London, they told us there that over 100000 headlamps were sold already. 2 weeks ago at the Eurosatory the same people raised the number to 250000. Impressive !!!

What makes me wonder is one thing:

Our regulations here and in Europe require when importing automotive parts to provide a standard approval and the lab that conducted the tests should be internationally recognized. A manufacturer's COC (certificate of compliance) is not enough.

I had opportunities to work with many US manufacturers of LED products, mainly emergency vehicle warning lights, school bus lamps and etc. All of them are providing on request test reports made by independent labs. (almost all work with Cal Sense, this is why I mentioned this name).

So what keeps Truck Lite from getting such an approval for this headlamp? $3000 which is the cost of testing it?
 
In the US, it's a self-certification thing. The manufacturer ostensibly knows the requirements, therefore they simply can say that their product fits the requirements, mark the lens DOT, and put it up for sale.

Again, it's a marking that will not be used lightly by a reputable manufacturer, for reasons such as their entire inventory being subject to recall and losing their warranty of fitness for a particular purpose.
 
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