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Do you actually believe the BS you spew?
Choose to believe whatever makes you happy. If you think what I write is all BS, you're free to not read it. Fortunately many policy makers would agree with most of the stuff I post.

Anyone with eyes can plainly see many large cities have major traffic problems. What's wrong with trying to speed up traffic? Or do you like sitting in traffic jams?
 
I'm driving in NYC for over 30 years, and you do not, i see how things change. i see how new "improvements" make things only worse, from behind the wheel, and you do not. I'll believe my eyes over your opinion any day.
you said you were 53, so you were born in 1970-1971, you have absolutely no clue how it was in 60s.
Correlation doesn't equal causation. That's the major fallacy in your reasoning. In case you haven't followed this stuff, besides the additional vehicles I mentioned, post-pandemic the number of car registrations in NYC is up. More people are driving instead of taking the subway. You want the root cause of any additional congestion, look no further than your fellow drivers.

Look at my screen name again. I was born on November 30, 1962. Yes, I was around in the 1960s. I remember going to my aunt's house in NJ. It would take us 3 hours sometimes just to cross the GWB. Congestion in NYC is hardly a novel thing.

I said I retired at 54. That was back in late 2017, right before my 55th birthday.

BTW, why is you feel qualified to discuss the flaws of public transit you never experience firsthand, but then say since I never drove in NYC I lack the perspective to discuss the streets? If that's not a double-standard I don't know what is.
 
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Choose to believe whatever makes you happy. If you think what I write is all BS, you're free to not read it. Fortunately many policy makers would agree with most of the stuff I post.

Anyone with eyes can plainly see many large cities have major traffic problems. What's wrong with trying to speed up traffic? Or do you like sitting in traffic jams?

You are so full of yourself

Your dissertations, mental masturbation actually, are typical of those desperate to prove themselves superior to everyone else

The attached, below, are perfect examples
 

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It would take us 3 hours sometimes just to cross the GWB. Congestion in NYC is hardly a novel thing.
I find it very hard to believe, cuz i cross GWB almost every weekend twice from south brooklyn, it does not take more than an hour today. it takes me about 3 hours or less to get from sheepshead bay to Fallsburg. either direction,

Actually highway times did not change much in 30 years, it is inside the city what became a disaster, with bike lanes taking entire lanes, dividers on roads, left turn pocket removal, bus stops islands taking up more laines, no left turns instead of traffic light arrows..... yet it did not improve neither traffic nor safety, but you do not know any of it firsthand, cuz you do not drive, yet you trying to convince me i'm wrong, LMAO.
my bad i did make a mistake about your age, but it does not matter much , you would not be driving until mid 70s anyway, that is if you did drive, but you did not.
 
You are so full of yourself

Your dissertations, mental masturbation actually, are typical of those desperate to prove themselves superior to everyone else

The attached, below, are perfect examples
That's projection on your part of what you think I am, not the reality. Complex subjects can't easily be discussed in 30 second sound bites but maybe try Yahoo comments if that's more your cup of tea.

I'm not going to dumb down my posts to third grade level, or use sound bites from Fox News, MSN, OANN, CNN, etc. I actually wish more people in this world could see shades of gray instead of black and white. Or at least stop attributing everything to politics or conspiracy theories. All I see on this subject are engineering problems which need to be solved. Nothing more, nothing less. That's what I like discussing.
 
I find it very hard to believe, cuz i cross GWB almost every weekend twice from south brooklyn, it does not take more than an hour today. it takes me about 3 hours or less to get from sheepshead bay to Fallsburg. either direction,
To be sure it wasn't a normal occurrence, but it did happen every few trips. Keep in mind these were holidays in mid-afternoons, probably the worst time for traffic. Normal to get across the GWB those times was probably around an hour.
Actually highway times did not change much in 30 years, it is inside the city what became a disaster, with bike lanes taking entire lanes, dividers on roads, left turn pocket removal, bus stops islands taking up more laines, no left turns instead of traffic light arrows..... yet it did not improve neither traffic nor safety, but you do not know any of it firsthand, cuz you do not drive, yet you trying to convince me i'm wrong, LMAO.
Where did I say you were wrong? Why do you think I support measures to reduce congestion, including congestion charges? Would I do that if there was no congestion? I walk. I ride my bike. I've lived in my neighborhood for 45 years. I can see with my own eyes how much worse traffic has gotten when I live. Weekdays I could ride my bike after 7 and the streets had light traffic. By 10 it was dead. Nowadays I see heavy traffic until at least 9 PM. Saturday was light to moderate traffic all day, and Sunday was completely dead. It was a pleasure to ride on weekends. Now Saturday is like a weekday. Sunday is nearly as bad, except maybe traffic dies off a little starting around 7 PM. There's a reason I like to ride after 10 PM now. It's the only time traffic is light enough for pleasurable riding.

All this additional traffic isn't due to bike lanes. We don't even have bike lanes on most streets where I live. The congestion is due to a lot more people driving than years ago.

EDIT: Almost forgot about all the traffic signals the city has added over the last two decades. As a cyclist, I notice any new signal right away. On 73rd Avenue between Main Street and Springfield Blvd., a 4 mile stretch, there are now 24 traffic signals. When we moved here in 1978 there were only 7 or 8. All these new signals are one big reason traffic moves more slowly compared to 30 years ago.
my bad i did make a mistake about your age, but it does not matter much , you would not be driving until mid 70s anyway, that is if you did drive, but you did not.
No, I didn't have much desire to drive once I saw how much my parents spent on their cars. Cars are a money pit first and foremost. Even most car owners admit that much.

The idiotic 55 mph limit back then quashed any lingering desire to drive. I did have a permit for a while in the early 1980s. I realized driving at the speeds which felt normal to me, my license wouldn't have lasted long. We dumbed driving down, including having highway speed limits catering to the least common denominator. Germany at least had the good sense not to have highway speed limits on some sections of their highways.
 
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That's projection on your part of what you think I am, not the reality. Complex subjects can't easily be discussed in 30 second sound bites but maybe try Yahoo comments if that's more your cup of tea.

I'm not going to dumb down my posts to third grade level, or use sound bites from Fox News, MSN, OANN, CNN, etc. I actually wish more people in this world could see shades of gray instead of black and white. Or at least stop attributing everything to politics or conspiracy theories. All I see on this subject are engineering problems which need to be solved. Nothing more, nothing less. That's what I like discussing.

No, you're a pompous narcissist that likes to hear himself talk

Brevity is the soul of wit
 
No, you're a pompous narcissist that likes to hear himself talk

Brevity is the soul of wit
You're entitled to your opinion of me, however wrong it is.

FWIW, I've always been a wallflower in person. I'm the guy who used to write 10 page reports in school just to cover all facets, but hardly talked to most of my classmates, beyond those in my group of friends. Even among them, I used to be pretty reserved most of the time.

Not a narcissist, either.

Extreme introvert is probably what describes my personality type most accurately.
 
Choose to believe whatever makes you happy.
There is that path as well, but then that's what gets humanity into most of its predicaments. Believing that's it's sunny out will never change a rainy night.
Unfortunately many policy makers would agree with most of the stuff I post.
Fixed it for you, and would also like to point out that fortunately, many policy makers do not agree with your views. Hence the existence of disagreements like the ones in this thread.
 
I'm not going to dumb down my posts to third grade level...I actually wish more people in this world could see shades of gray instead of black and white.
Just like that, he makes a statement that any of us who can say what we need in short postings are third graders. I wish you could see the shades of grey you mention, but no, it's yourself who appears to see predominantly in black and white.
The idiotic 55 mph limit back then quashed any lingering desire to drive. We dumbed driving down, including having highway speed limits catering to the least common denominator.
Well that's pretty much a third grade level of understanding, and self-centeredness thrown in for good measure. Nothing wrong with driving 55 then, or now, and sometimes it's a big help when people actually drive by road conditions.

Even when we disagree, you still write some very well thought out bits...but this is absolutely not one of them, and really does make you sound incredibly pompous in your disdain for the reasoning of others.
 
Just like that, he makes a statement that any of us who can say what we need in short postings are third graders. I wish you could see the shades of grey you mention, but no, it's yourself who appears to see predominantly in black and white.
It's called thorough discussion of an extremely complex topic. It just doesn't lend itself to brevity. Unfortunately, whenever this particular topic comes up a lot of the posts devolve to either stupid memes, or saying EVs/solar/wind/trains/public transit in general are evil incarnate because the left wants them. What's wrong with a discussion along the lines of EVs won't work for me now because (reasons). Do you engineers have any good solutions for that?

I never once knocked anyone who gave real reasons why EVs or public transit won't work for them. But opposing stuff purely on political or ideological or religious grounds? We did that once. It was called the Dark Ages for good reason.
Believing that's it's sunny out will never change a rainy night.
That's what most of these threads devolve to. ICEs and fossil fuels are great. No need to fix anything, ever.

There's also the implication in all these discussions that we'll not advance beyond 2023 state of the art by 2035 when most of these EV-only sales mandates fully kick in. Hey, I just bought some solar panels at around $0.50/watt. They were multiples of that a mere decade ago. That's how fast we're advancing.

Well that's pretty much a third grade level of understanding, and self-centeredness thrown in for good measure. Nothing wrong with driving 55 then, or now, and sometimes it's a big help when people actually drive by road conditions.
Driving according to road conditions is something I would fully agree with. My desire back then would have been to be allowed to go much faster than 55 mph when road conditions allowed. Would I lane bomb at 90 mph on a crowded highway where everyone else was going 65 mph? Absolutely not. But if I was on an empty highway, gentle curves, good weather I might have wanted to go 100, 110, even 125+ mph. Why? It can cut hours off long trips. Since the US has no high-speed trains, highways with no speed limits are the next best thing. Going really fast also immerses you in the driving process so you don't fall asleep at the wheel.

On local city streets with pedestrians and cyclists I think current limits are reasonable. I would have no problem adhering to them.
Even when we disagree, you still write some very well thought out bits...but this is absolutely not one of them, and really does make you sound incredibly pompous in your disdain for the reasoning of others.
Well, I'm only human. I get tired of hearing people bash technology engineers worked really hard to develop. Those same engineers also devoted decades to mastering their fields.
 
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This is entertaining.




I may have told this story before:

One summer I was tasked with driving around this young and upcoming engineer. He worked for us to earn money for his next semester at college. He worked 3 jobs but paid cash for his education each year. Smart kid. I was issued a severely under powered pickup truck to cart him around in.

One day we drove on the interstate to an interchange and I used it to turn around. While the truck was chugging up an incline after slowing way down because of a really tight curve I hit the accelorator to merge with traffic as the trucks and cars whizzed past. The acceloration lane was about 50 yards long. Luckily people started moving over to let me onto the right travel lane. I said "whoever designed this on ramp should be placed in front of a firing squad and shot".

The young engineer said "my mom designed it". I replied "tell her I said she should be shot". That summer I carried him from place to place at a giant interchange project. The project was being built in metric. Yet invoices and tickets were generated using King's English. The gubment had a conversion system that rarely matched what the computer had converted things to so there were days we'd generate conversion numbers that would match what the computer said. The gubment used 2 decimal places, but often it would take 5 or 10 decimal places to match. We had to justify what the computer said to pay the contractor what they were actually owed.

The young engineer was a master at that sort of thing. Then there were days in the field where he was tasked with checking on the contractor. Checking grades, slopes, thicknesses and such. The contractor personnel were largely locals rejected by other contractors for various reasons. The young engineer at times would remark "some of these people are pretty ignorant". I'd take him to the next spot and it would be more of the same.

One day he said "why am I doing this?" I replied "so you can learn who it is building your designs so you can keep that in mind." He said "I don't understand". I replied "as long as you look down on the people building your designs, your designs will never work, you need to design idiot proof just in case these are the people building it". I finished with "one day you'll understand".

At the end of that summer when he was ready to return to school he told me how his mom's interchange could work better. I said "you are now ready for the real world".
 
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It's called thorough discussion of an extremely complex topic. It just doesn't lend itself to brevity. Unfortunately, whenever this particular topic comes up a lot of the posts devolve to either stupid memes, or saying EVs/solar/wind/trains/public transit in general are evil incarnate because the left wants them.
It does though, and your tendency to introduce more subject matter makes conversations into the equivalent of looking for a dropped item in a mud bottomed pond. Let the water calm, stay focused and stop swooshing your verbal arms around, because all it does is hide what we're supposed to be looking for. The whole "evil incarnate" line is a great example of created content that benefits no one, yourself included. Just makes you look bad, and finds us disagreeing over extraneous content, in essence, helping to ensure that many will miss your best material.
I never once knocked anyone who gave real reasons why EVs or public transit won't work for them.
Actually you have, repeatedly, when making you judgemental proclamations about the stupidity of things which are actually simply two differing points of view, or something else entirely even. It isn't hard to see the disdain you hold for many whose points of view you tend to simply gloss over as their mental inferiority, and that makes you come across as pompous, but also reveals your inability to even try to understand how others think.
That's what most of these threads devolve to. ICEs and fossil fuels are great. No need to fix anything, ever.
Fossil fuels are great and their demonization is as bad as anything else that has bothered you. Emotionally driven fits of 'throwing the baby out with the bath water' are predictably going to be met with emotional resistance. You write so much in many of your posts that you never take the time to look for anything ridiculous in the content, and most of my rebuttals to you tend to be focused on those.

Well, I'm only human.
Yes, and so are the rest of us. If you wish leeway for your views, you'd probably receive even more of it than you already do, simply by granting it to others rather than broadbrushing countering views in your habitually judgemental manner. Among people I often find my self opposing, you're one of the easiest ones to get along with, and you'd find less opposition to your posts if you could start with some self-editing.
I get tired of hearing people bash technology engineers worked really hard to develop. Those same engineers also devoted decades to mastering their fields.
A lot of us get tired of being bashed for having counter-views, and college degrees have never, ever, ever equated to common sensibility. They're nothing more than certificates of effort and time, and the onus is on those in possession of them to stop seeing their paper certificates as indicators of superiority.
 
Nope.

Yep, yourself included it might seem. Do some research on gas taxes, which you’re no longer paying if you’re only driving vehicles that don’t use it anymore.

Actually, Yep...

I drive low enough miles that we now pay more Tax with the new law in Texas than if we just bought gas.

Weirdly enough, I've actually done the math unlike everyone in this thread
 
Great! That works for you. For the masses, they literally have no where to plug their EVs into. The vast majority of folks in America live in apartment building. Older ones, that have literally no underground parking garages. No where to install charging stations. What are they supposed to do? Even my best friend of 30+ years who has become fanatical about EVs, even he admits that until outdoor charging stations with 5 minute chargers become as common in America as traditional gas-stations are now, EVs don't work as a replacement vehicle for the masses.

It won't be that at all. The extreme majority of the population don't live in houses! "Here's your EV, random member of the general public. Oh, you literally have no where to plug it into. Oh well...."

You're right about one thing, it WILL be a lot cheaper. No place to plug their vehicle into means they are literally going to spend zero dollars on fuel costs. Everyday they can look outside their apartment window at their massive car-shaped paper-weight. Especially with the number of outdoor charging stations being few and far between as to be an absolute joke with that lack of infrastructure.

Exactly! And if you live in an apartment where you can barely afford the rent, and the building lacks an underground garage; the time to buy an EV will be never. Simple solution for such individuals: Buy a hybrid.

Will admit, I haven't done the math.... But my EV fanatic best friend, has! I'm sorry, but no. Nowhere even close to remotely cheaper. He's looking at a Chevy Bolt.... and he's waiting until after New Year's when the latest Government incentive kicks in before he replaces his Chevy Equinox. Why? Rather obvious! For someone like HIM to wait until the incentives kick in, pretty much says it all.

Well, I certainly do. Being his best friend, I have to listen to him for hours trying to convince me to change my mind.

Will admit, I haven't done the math..

Well, that says it all. I have. I don't really care what your mystery friend says

Come back when you have and then we can actually have a discussion?

Federal incentives TOP OUT at $7500 and have recently got more strict (To the point I only get half). That doesn't even need maths to figure out, go look it up.

The government is not throwing EV's at people, I wish they were though because then it would have benefited me.
 
Well, that says it all. I have. I don't really care what your mystery friend says

Come back when you have and then we can actually have a discussion?
Actually no, I'm done wasting my time with you. Honestly, THAT was your intelligent rebuttal? Seriously?? You expect me to list my best friend's full-name and Ohio address on a public forum?

The fact that THAT was the only thing you could think of as a reply, makes it blatantly clear that you have no actual, intelligent counter-points to everything I brought up. So rather than discuss what I brought up (even though you obviously can't refute it), you decide to pretend that what I brought up has no merit. Nice try. No, seriously; I'm not joking. That particular debating tactic usually does work very well.... Unless the other person is aware of it, and calls you out on it.

Like I just did. You honestly made yourself look foolish. I normally do give other members the benefit of the doubt. But you clearly showed me that you're not worth it with that ridiculously disingenuous reply. Clearly I'm wasting my time trying to have an open and honest discussion with you. I'm done with you. Welcome to my Ignore list. Feel free to get in the last word if your ego demands it. That sort of thing isn't important to me. Plus, I won't see it anyway. Have a good one. :)
 
Pretty sure I was on Monocrom's ignore list during the COVID when I was trying to assure people that their masks were decent enough (thinking that confidence in one's actions had more of a protective effect than mask materials; didn't want to scare the easily influenced in a negative way) and our dear friend from the New York City area was trying to honestly inform others about bogus masks.

Each of us had an objective. So glad we are friendly again. But I did remove signatures largely because of his signature...

jtr1962 gets quick-skimmed at best by me because his knowledge may be wide but is butter spread too thin in so many areas. Yet he/she tries to come off as being the fount of all that is logical and insightful. And so wordy.

I certainly cup-runneth-over with faults.

Really I don't know enough about the subject of this thread so have stayed on the side.

Hopefully the ignore function is sparingly used. Everyone deserves some respect.
 
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