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It does though, and your tendency to introduce more subject matter makes conversations into the equivalent of looking for a dropped item in a mud bottomed pond. Let the water calm, stay focused and stop swooshing your verbal arms around, because all it does is hide what we're supposed to be looking for. The whole "evil incarnate" line is a great example of created content that benefits no one, yourself included. Just makes you look bad, and finds us disagreeing over extraneous content, in essence, helping to ensure that many will miss your best material.
I kind of get your point here. However, remember I'm not the one who starts making these threads political along the lines I mentioned here. Others have done that. The bottom line though is it adds nothing constructive to the discussion. It also makes assumptions about one's political views.
Actually you have, repeatedly, when making you judgemental proclamations about the stupidity of things which are actually simply two differing points of view, or something else entirely even. It isn't hard to see the disdain you hold for many whose points of view you tend to simply gloss over as their mental inferiority, and that makes you come across as pompous, but also reveals your inability to even try to understand how others think.
Here's the thing-being closed minded drives me nuts. If someone says, for example, I drive because the same trip on public transit takes three times as long I get it. Or maybe they're carrying stuff which they can't on public transit. Monocrom gives perfectly sensible reasons for needing a car to get to his job. But he also never drives to Manhattan. You have said you bike, drive, or take the train, depending upon the situation. This shows you're both open-minded to using other modes if they make sense.

Unfortunately, many people in the US simply won't even consider not driving regardless of the situation. Wouldn't bother me much except for the fact their choice has hugely negative effects on everyone else, particularly when they drive in large cities. Or put more succinctly, it's a very selfish choice as bad as smoking in public. Even worse is the way quite a few of these people drive. You would probably need to be on the receiving end of this to understand it fully. It adds a constant low level of anxiety for anyone walking or cycling in the city dealing with these people. And the air pollution from these vehicles also affects quality of life.
Fossil fuels are great and their demonization is as bad as anything else that has bothered you. Emotionally driven fits of 'throwing the baby out with the bath water' are predictably going to be met with emotional resistance. You write so much in many of your posts that you never take the time to look for anything ridiculous in the content, and most of my rebuttals to you tend to be focused on those.
Sure, there are some situations where we have no alternative to fossil fuels at the present. Airliners are one of them. But calling out their negatives is hardly demonization. Besides, from a purely practical point of view they're going to run out sooner rather than later. Given that, and the negatives of using them which I'm not listing yet again, it's good public policy to push alternatives. If some of the timelines being pushed by leaders seem overly ambitious, think back to how maybe parents or teachers pushed you to do stuff you thought you couldn't do but actually did. Without that push, you may never have realized that potential. On a macro level the human race sometimes needs a little push to do more than many think it can.
A lot of us get tired of being bashed for having counter-views, and college degrees have never, ever, ever equated to common sensibility. They're nothing more than certificates of effort and time, and the onus is on those in possession of them to stop seeing their paper certificates as indicators of superiority.
It's also about the decades they spend perfecting their craft after they get that degree. When people trivialize that, it drives me nuts. If you're interested, here's a good read by a person who says it way better than I can:

 
jtr1962 gets quick-skimmed at best by me because his knowledge may be wide but is butter spread too thin in so many areas. Yet he/she tries to come off as being the fount of all that is logical and insightful. And so wordy.
There are many threads I simply read and never post in because I lack the knowledge to contribute anything meaningful to the discussion.

As for your "butter spread too thin" description, aren't most of us guilty of that, namely having an opinion on a topic where we might not be fully knowledgeable?
 
I have to admit that this morning I started my ignore list

I just don’t want to deal with certain people here anymore

It’s a shame, because I’d say about 99% of the people here are great
If I'm on your list I guess you won't see this but I concur with others that ignore lists should be used sparingly. So far I've never used that function. I'd probably only reserve it for obvious trolls but the moderators eventually ban such people anyway.
 
I have one person on my ignore list. Simply put the member was over the top abusive and became a stalker. Things like (paraphrasing) "I made you what you are, you're nothing without me" got me thinking "hmmm, I think I'll ignore this one". And fyi the member no longer posts at cpf.

Regarding the heated conversations? I enjoy a good debate, and really enjoy it when I get called names. See, a long time ago a certain (now former) owner said "critique the post, not the post-er". I generally avoid the whole "well your momma eats stale cornflakes" nonsense and just enjoy seeing the other post-er's side of things. To me it's not a win/lose thing. It's more like a ping pong match.
 
Yes and no. Without bringing politics into it, there is always plenty of technical stuff on this subject worth discussing. It seems like every day I read about yet another promising new battery development.
It really depends on a person's definition of politics. I like to say "gubment" but not as a red or blue thing but more of a "us vs them", The electorate against the elected. Some say "swamp vs flyover country" yet some see that as a right wing dog whistle.

You're correct, this can be a very informative thread. Unfortunately ithe topic stirs up ill feelings for some folks. I've said before and I'll say it again "I'm in when they generate their own power and have readily swappable batteries".
 
still free to run my ev lol sure its a bike but cost me zero to run it. and i i didnt use solar to charge it . it would still be crazy cheap to run lol.if i hit lotto im buying a tesla. dont like elly the guy who runs tesla but i love the cars.
 
still free to run my ev lol sure its a bike but cost me zero to run it. and i i didnt use solar to charge it . it would still be crazy cheap to run lol.if i hit lotto im buying a tesla. dont like elly the guy who runs tesla but i love the cars.
If I hit the lotto I'm buying an M1A2 Abrams tank! Drive defensively!
 
Chance, you rogue. You gentleman.
Monocrom's sig line reeks of implicit superiority. The tragic reality is Ole Kitro here is a similar goombah. Additionally, jtr1962 reminds me of myself trying to sound like a know it all, too many times.

Someone sees a perky lass, easy on the eyes, promoting some online tool and telling us that we can have our nuclear cake and eat it too. Yeah, not that easy but certainly right in line with the low attention span pleasure seeking humanoids like us.

Many of us are so thankful there are individuals who are willing to step up and support technology that takes us forward, even when it is still in the baby steps stage.

An (Electric Vehicle) Aptera would be so outstanding to get but it is too early for me to pony up the money for something in the initial developmental stage, that can't even get down our road and we do not have the solar capability to re-energize.
 
Well, I had to do a fair number of presentations and reports in school. I learned how you present the material is nearly as important as what you know about it. If you sound authoritative you get more people to listen seriously to you. Of course, you also should be at least somewhat knowledgeable about the subject matter. If not, people eventually pick up on the fact you're full of sh*t, then stop listening to you. Too many academics fall into the latter category. I had an English professor once who fit that bill. The whole nine yards. English accent which made him sound more pompous. Trying to find some hidden meaning the author supposedly intended in every piece of literature. Sometimes a tree is just a tree. There is no symbolism.

Yeah, we need more EVs similar to the Aptera. Super aerodynamic is how we get more range for free. Smaller battery, less lithium, less drain on the grid. I think it looks cool too but that's entirely subjective.
 
Pretty sure I was on Monocrom's ignore list during the COVID when I was trying to assure people that their masks were decent enough (thinking that confidence in one's actions had more of a protective effect than mask materials; didn't want to scare the easily influenced in a negative way) and our dear friend from the New York City area was trying to honestly inform others about bogus masks.

Each of us had an objective. So glad we are friendly again. But I did remove signatures largely because of his signature...

jtr1962 gets quick-skimmed at best by me because his knowledge may be wide but is butter spread too thin in so many areas. Yet he/she tries to come off as being the fount of all that is logical and insightful. And so wordy.

I certainly cup-runneth-over with faults.

Really I don't know enough about the subject of this thread so have stayed on the side.

Hopefully the ignore function is sparingly used. Everyone deserves some respect.
Nope! You were never on that exclusive list.

One thing I learned long ago is that two, intelligent, and honest men can disagree. You've always presented your points of view in an honest manner. That is something I respect and appreciate. Unfortunately, there have been other members who have not. They're the ones who end up on my list. Access to the I Hate Monocrom Lounge is only open to them. Where the food is spiked with laxatives, and I make sure to personally urinate in all the drinks. Where the waitresses promote the Hard Lemonade. Just not from Mike's.
 
Chance, you rogue. You gentleman.
Monocrom's sig line reeks of implicit superiority.
No.... Just a horrifying revelation from an incredible comedian.

Cleese was once interviewed regarding an episode he did for "Faulty Towers" the TV show. It was the infamous one where a small group of young Germans were due to arrive at the hotel. Cleese's character told everyone not to mention the war! But a head-injury caused his own character to do far more than just mention it....

The episode was hilarious, but obviously controversial. When the reporter interviewing Cleese asked him why he had done it, I was expecting him to say because he didn't give a damn about political correctness. Instead, he said what now appears at the end of all my comments on CPF. In a way, it was a cop-out. He was saying that if he was aware of that fact, he wouldn't have done that episode. But at the same time, it's a horrifying true fact of Life.
 
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the best advice i have ever got in my life is if your camping in the deep woods and you hear a banjo.. you should run...this has nothing to do with this thread but its damn good advice.
Note to self...to get complete solitude in the woods, play banjo music in a radius around the area desired people-free. 🪕
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Access to the I Hate Monocrom Lounge is only open to them. Where the food is spiked with laxatives, and I make sure to personally urinate in all the drinks. Where the waitresses promote the Hard Lemonade. Just not from Mike's.
Remind me never to get on your bad side. Damn, I thought my family could be vengeful. They got nothing on you.

Mind if I send a former friend to the I Hate Monocrom Lounge? That's the guy I mentioned a few times who made a cottage industry out of knocking everything I ever did. Can you serve him up some nice chocolate ice cream as well, but made from the other kind of chocolate?
 
i found ot everyone on cpf is wonderful ok all different very different . but all are good id bet we all have each other backs . me the wierdo you all others bet we all have each others backs i know i think of you all as family and im grateful i found you all
 
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