Tutorial on building a 2cell LED PR drop-in [trial II works]

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EDIT: I think this might be best in homemade and modified instead

I recently dusted off my 2D ROP to check if my ROP low lamp was under the spring, upon disassembly a stock 2D krypton fell to the floor, I picked it up, grinned at it, and wonder how many of its brothers is sitting in my "scrap" pile unused. Then I looked at my recent beta driver using a Zetex driver and I decided to build my own 2 cell "Lambda SMJLED" drop-in.to see how hard it could actually be. :thinking:


Bare lamps, the typical PR based 2 cell krypton lamps you commonly find in a 2D cell flashlight. Warp some masking tape around the globe and make sure you press it snug, it'll save you from a mess of glass shards when you pop it.



Heat the solder iron early, the little green light controls my workbench's overhead fans, see picture 26. These fans keep the air flowing downward, sending the solder smoke traveling horizontally, not at me or at my nose. The little Nidec gamma 27 blowfan [controlled by the toggle switch on the side of the green light] is used for two things, keeping things cool when soldering and curing glue by dehydration



5x120mm Fans salvaged from a PC tower keeps the air moving along, I have a 110V household fan blowing air out the window behind me so the air is one way only.




Make sure you have good lighting! This is taken with the florescent off showing the 3x LuxV driven by a 700ma xitanium.



Place the lamp globe down in a vice, crank it down slowly until it pops, then loosen it, turn the lamp 90 degrees, repeat until you made full circle, by this time the globe should fall off my itself.



This is what it should look like, watch for those sharp edges, remove the glass fragments with some needle-nose pliers.




Use a dremel to take out the potting after you remove the glass. Chuck it in a drill press vice, snug will do, do not overtighten. I'm not sure what tool this is, but its in a standard dremel kit and resembles a barrel cactus, use it on the lowest rpm or you'll have dust blowing everywhere




Extract the center copper contact by heating the bottom contact pad, then using pliers stick it back in the tail end and pull up and down as you remove the solder iron for it to solidify, this will create a hole for your driver's input leads.



This is what you should see after you get the potting out, remember we are not trying to grind it out; we're letting it fall out by itself. The potting is brittle to vibration, take advantage of it.



A 3mm dome Piranha I had kicking around, here it is standing beside the prototype driver [Zetex Zxsc380] and the can it will sit in…soon



Measure the interior dimensions in respect to perf board holes, crop to fit, file it to fit if you have to:



Still a bit tall, more filing is needed. NOTE: do not file it so its flush with the can, it will make it more difficult to work with, leave about 1mm sticking out.




What the end design will resemble



Solder board in hand; let's go to work on the electronics. The inductor shown here is Jameco pt: 208194, 100uH epoxy conformal choke, I tried many epoxy inductors I had available, only this size will fit the can in this fashion. Fit in the inductor along the long side of the PCB. Zetex drivers are in SOT-23, so they do not work well with perf boards. Take advantage of the leads on the inductor. Not only will they provide an effective point of contact but also improve connection and mechanical integrity.





Since the broad side of the driver only touch base with 3 holes instead of 4, compensate it when forming the leads. Pull the leads up when your done

Before soldering, after soldering


It is important to form a notch close [but not over] the center hole, the drivers pins are just outside the hole when placed over it. There the pin will be soldered to the lead. The horizontal lead will go through the bottom of the PR can after you're done.


For the Gnd pin of the driver, I grabbed a fried resistor and used its leads. Bend it in this fashion and solder it in place. NOTE: place a solder bridge across the two contacts, bypassing the resistor so to speak. DO NOT cut off the resistor, you will need it later.



Mousers order numbers on those Zetex ZXSC380s, they are about 60 cents each and comes on a tiny tape roll.


Working with SMTs is important to have tweezers, both for handling them and as "clip-on" heatsinks while you solder. The driver is on the magnifying glass


Fit the driver over the contacts [now dabbed with solder], manipulate the contacts with your tweezers until they are optimum spaced. The "third hand" magnifier is used here to assist the picture taker, NOT for soldering as it wobbles, use the resistor as a handle instead. the resistor also acts a big Gnd contact for tests.



Test your circuit to verify that its working correctly. The PS is set to 1.5V, LED Vin is 3.5V. Yes, the T1-3/4 was from an earlier project that is somehow encased in wood using a spare cree star as a head plate. I can't recall what I used it for.

Insert another lead in to the center hole on the output end and form it in this fashion and solder it in place, this will be the LED+ pin



Solder it to the inductor, cut the resistor off. It doesn't matter if the contacts are protruding, it's a ground line that will eventually be secured to the PR can anyway.


At this point the SOT-23 is electrically connected but mechanically floating. After the circuit is tested drop a drop of wood glue on it, let it flow around on the PCB, prod it around with tweezers if necessary. NOTE: Test the circuit again to verify everything is in order before you "pot" it in place.


This is where the blowfan comes in handy, keeping the fan on the glue dehydrates it very fast and the surface will cure in about a minute.

When it's partially cured, test fit it in the PR can. You'll have to do a little shoving for the inductor to go in, test it after it's in place. Orient the board so that the ground matches the cut-out on the rim of the PR can. Test the assembly again after soldering the input


Form the leads as shown, rest the LED+ on the PCB, see that space between the lead and the can? Aren't you glad you didn't file it flush now?


Form a bent in the negative line and solder it in place, the PR base itself does not contact solder well, I dunno if its steel or…but anyway, it'll make the desired electrical connect, but its very brittle to mechanical leverage, its best to finish forming the lead before soldering.


You should end up with something like this, test the assembly this time by clipping the input Gnd on the can and the led to the top pins. If it works, you are now ready for potting.


Apply a liberal amount of wood glue down its cavity in small drops; take care not to apply glue on the top leads, which has been trimmed to fit. By the time I got here, its past midnight I went ahead to grab a beer and call it a day.




It doesn't look pretty, as this is trial 1, but so far it appears to work properly so that's a definite plus.

The underlying scheme in the driver is the utilization of the least components and those components do not produce heat.

By Zetex ZXSC380's datasheet a 100uH inductor will output 70ma at Vin = 3V, which is very hard on the LEDs, but the good thing is I can maintain 20ma with input of 1.5V eventually dropping go dead at Vdo = 0.8V.

Instead of running this "drop-in" with fresh batteries, I plan to run it on nearly dead Alkalines or CR123As, and keeping the LED soldered in place instead of potting it allows me to swap out the LED if it burns out prematurely.

the total cost of the build is
$0.60 [driver]
$0.011 [inductor, comes in pk of 10]
$1.69 [white Piranha 3mm dome]
2D krypton lamp [free]
A small piece of PCB [essentially free]
About 3 hours of DIY plan, prep, build, and its not done yet:shrug:




I'll start on Part II tomorrow, for now I'm going to sleep
 
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Re: Tutorial on building a 2cell LED PR drop-in [fair warning, lots of pics]

Well, this is a mixed blessing...to put it bluntly, it FAILED

Adjusting the LED height to match the filament height, I try to place it slightly lower than the perfect line. Depending on the angle of LEDs it may disregard the host's reflector altogether


Trim the contacts so they are even


Tin, move the pins around, solder


Check proper alignment [eyeball]


Test the circuit to very that it works, again PS set to 1.5V


Stock Host, 2AA incan


New Dropin


The drop-in was bright for the first minute of its operation, then proceeded to stay bright for several minutes as I moved its legs around to properly seat/center it as well as unplugging the xitanium and turning off the lights to see how bright it was. I came up with the idea of taking a comparison pic with the stock host shortly after and before I can get the camera to operate it flickered and died on the test stand :banghead:

Whatever that failed, it caused a column of undried glue upwelling from the PR can up, I had to scoop away the glue with the tweezers or else it'll overflow the can...


With the PCB already glued in place, the only thing salvageable is the LED😡 The potted module is as dead as a doorknob. It will flicker dimly below 3V, Since the LED Vf = 3.5V, it will operate [dimly] on 3V and bright at 4.5V, using the inductor as a resistor of sorts...but being that it has low DC resistance to begin with I dunno how effective that will be. :ohgeez:

okay, I can understand why they're so expensive now....if I had to do it again, it'll be SMT all the way, thru hole is easier to teach, but limits you on the components to use:green:
 
Re: Tutorial on building a 2cell LED PR drop-in [Forget it, it died]

Is wood glue a good potting compound?

As to the failure, it may be that you insulated the driver too well from the can so that the heat could not escape?
 
Re: Tutorial on building a 2cell LED PR drop-in [Forget it, it died]

I wonder if the problem was the circuit board components overheating. Maybe it would have lasted longer, or possibly not overheated, if thermal epoxy was used instead of wood glue in the "bulb" case.

In any case, thanks for posting. I [appreciate] that you took the time to photograph and document what you did.

Russ
 
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Re: Tutorial on building a 2cell LED PR drop-in [Forget it, it died]

Yes, it was a very clear tutorial and nice to see what you did.

I think other such builds do not necessarily use a circuit board at all, they just use point to point wiring. You can support the module by feeding a wire through the original hole in the side of the base and soldering it where the original capsule wire was soldered. This wire will act as a heat sink removing some of the heat from the driver.
 
Re: Tutorial on building a 2cell LED PR drop-in [Forget it, it died]

Is wood glue a good potting compound?
I was trying to be as cheap as possible, but I guess its not going to work :shakehead:

Russel, buying arctic alumina would be at least $20, the whole assembly alone doesn't cost more than $3...but maybe your right.

I've ran the driver standalone for long periods of time and it never appeared to get hot. I eventually figured out what went wrong, the input pin was cut too short and while I was reflowing the positive contact with the module upside down the driver fell some distance before resolidifying. I was able to find the cause after drilling a 1/16" hole down where the center contact once was and was able to get it to shine when I stuck a pin down the hole. Unfortunately it will only operate when the pin is at a certain direction...so I do not foresee a method to salvage it.

I made one more attempt and this time the center pin is coiled rather than cut off, and so far it seems promising. I laid in only a thin layer of glue, mostly around the positive contact to isolate it from the PR can. Its sitting there to dry at the moment




I also cheated and made a resistor driven Red Piranha LED, Iout = 25ma when Vin = 2.5V


I also figured out that solder will stick to the can if the location is filed using a fine file. I'm in need of more PR lamps...as I lost a few cans trying to "drill" glass out
 
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Re: Tutorial on building a 2cell LED PR drop-in [Forget it, it died]

I was trying to be as cheap as possible, but I guess its not going to work :shakehead:

Russel, buying arctic alumina would be at least $20, the whole assembly alone doesn't cost more than $3...but maybe your right.

Glad to see you haven't given up!

I'm all for keeping it cheap, if that means no artic alumina...maybe there is another way. I wonder if it could be secured without potting. Have you seen the Maglite method?

This is a dissected Maglite LED "bulb"

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I'm not suggesting that you should go with surface mount components, although that would be cool, I'm looking at the way they mount the circuit board in the "can."

Just trying to brainstorm a little. Granted, it would be hard to make something to hold a circuit board that small. Heat shrink as a case insulator maybe? Not to good for heat dissipation, but if you have some lying around, it would be cheap.
 
Re: Tutorial on building a 2cell LED PR drop-in [Forget it, it died]

If you have a small torch of some sort you can just heat up the can and all the potting will come out real easy. No need for dremel or drilling been there done that not so fun. I find it easy to break glass first and then use the mapp gas torch I have to heat the can up and with some pliers pull on wires and it should come out whole depending on the bulbs. If it don't all come out then it will still be easier to remove the potting by repeating process and scraping it with whatever you got. That way you will have a better chance of not ruining the can.
 
Re: Tutorial on building a 2cell LED PR drop-in [Forget it, it died]

Great setup you got there!

Just wanted to say thanks for the ideas. I was trying to remove the potting compound from a pr can the other night. I dont know why I didnt try the dremel.
I tried crushing the sides a little bit till most of the compound came out, So did the base.
Ill try the flame method.

Btw wood glue, would that work for a bulb?

Any other guides on unpotting/potting bulbs out there?
 
Re: Tutorial on building a 2cell LED PR drop-in [Forget it, it died]

I was trying to be as cheap as possible, but I guess its not going to work :shakehead:

Russel, buying arctic alumina would be at least $20, the whole assembly alone doesn't cost more than $3...but maybe your right.

Nice project! Sorry to see it died on you. You could try making your own AA compound from normal epoxy and very fine aluminum oxide powder.
 
Re: Tutorial on building a 2cell LED PR drop-in [Forget it, it died]

Glad to see you haven't given up!

I'm all for keeping it cheap, if that means no artic alumina...maybe there is another way. I wonder if it could be secured without potting. Have you seen the Maglite method?

This is a dissected Maglite LED "bulb"

_DSC0059.jpg

Hello, yes I've taken apart magLED modules before.:devil:
they have an impressive amount of components on them
Here's a 3D module


Maglite designed the plastic inserts from the inside out, and literally redesigned the "can" to the point that it often does not operate in PR lights
From the way the input pin is soldered to the can, theoretically I can leave it alone and it will only wobble, but then I fear it shorting to the sides. maybe if I coat the PR can with glue on the inside before I solder the driver in... hey, :thanks:

I'll need to try that next weekend

As for taking out the potting, a found using a medium flat head screwdriver and some light tapping will work well too. I'll try the flame method the way Import_guy advised. But first I'll need to buy some butane refills for the butane torch. I fear the acetylene blowtorch might melt the PR can.

Wood glue has pretty limited abilities...I can try epoxy but I'm not sure how reactive it is to PC components. I have before mixed epoxy in plastic cups and it softened the cup as it dried.

Al Combs, that method is neat! I have already ordered arctic alumina from 4sevens, so I hope to use that when it comes
 
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Re: Tutorial on building a 2cell LED PR drop-in [trial II works!]

wo0t!
the second [rather, the third] can worked.

two "heavy duty" cells measured 20-40 on the ZTS popped in the flashlight, shining from my desk to the hardwood floor
regular incan, getting really dim...:shrug:
nyboya.jpg


new lamp, [during test phase fully operational down to ~0.8V, as in it still lights when a connect a 22 ohm resistor in series to it and power it up using 1xAA] Shhown here with the same cells above. Its not that bright, more like the 2 LED CC Trek light, the blue tail is not that visible
mb0k6x.jpg


For an upcoming astronomy event I made a couple PR reds and sticking them in 2D eveready's, they'll be good giveaway lights if they sprount legs:shrug:
the LEDs were rated at 70ma, but on 2D they are getting about 140ma due to a resistor mixup:ohgeez:
Shown here dimmer than it actually is
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A couple prototypes here
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the bag that was marked "2 ohm 150ma" are the error ones, since they are not potted and rely entirely on solder joints for mechanical support its easy to pluck them out to replace them:grin2:
As for the price tag for red LED builds, at the quantity in which I ordered these LEDs, they cost about 3 cents each, the resistors came at 100 per unit, cost 0.015 cents each...so the PR lamp is the most expensive component for direct drives, add on components cost a total of $0.045, hilarilously inexpensive to build...

There should be NO REASON why amateur astronomers need to rely on red balloons to cover up their maglites to work at night:shrug:
 
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