UKE Q40 and 2L--mini report/review

rlhess

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Hi,

I thought I'd buy a UKE 2L and Q40 to try out and probably give away or sell...

These are nice little lights.

Much like their larger brother, the SL6, these are narrow-beam lights.

The dispersion is not as good as an E2e, but the peak brightness is higher (but the peak is smaller).

The 2L measures about 2800 cd and the Q40 measures about 2400 cd. The peak out of a minimag with Brinkmann Nexstar lamp is about 800 cd. The E2e puts out about 1300 cd and a substantially smoother and wider beam.

HOWEVER, the 4-5 hours of life out of either of these UKE lights makes them unique. The lithium version should have more light longer than the AA version, while the AA version should be cheaper to buy batteries for.

It's the same Lamp Assembly on both.

Cheers,

Richard
 
Rich,

Thank you for this most illuminating yet concise report.

Just got my SL6 today and absolutely Love the thing, pencil-neck beam and all (especially the powerful, pencil-thin beam, actually).

Talk about throw. Sheesh.

Will post a new thread about my particular experiences with it and some beamshot comparisons soon.
 
4-5 hours of light out of those lights? Did you measure that, or are you going by the product literature? A number of people claim the actual number is more like 3-3.5 hours.
 
Sorry, did not measure...I was reading the lit...apologies.

Let's see 2.1W at 6V is 350mA at 5V is 420mA. There is some voltage drop. Let's say 385mA.

2L I'd predict 2.6-3.4h depending on how dim/yellow you let it get.

Q40 I'd predict 2.5-3.5h depending on how dim/yellow you let it get.

I agree that based on the power rating of the lamp (I did not measure mA draw) and typical discharge curves the stated run times are, err, optimistic...not as bad as the LED lights, however <smile>. Did you see my thread in LEDs on the PT Aurora's current drain?

Cheers,

Richard
 
Originally posted by rlhess:
...HOWEVER, the 4-5 hours of life out of either of these UKE lights makes them unique. The lithium version should have more light longer than the AA version, while the AA version should be cheaper to buy batteries for....
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">My tests show a functional or useful life for both the 2L and Mini Q40/4AA of approximately 3hours.
"Functional" and "useful" are highly subjective terms, dependent on factors such as test conditions, light "temperature", tester's vision including undiagnosed pre-cataract condition, degree of night blindness, extent of dark-adaptation, age etc, etc. CPF may be the perfect place to develop a workable definition of these elusive and amorphous terms, which could then be presented as a standard. It might be useful to have a two part definition: one for those with light meters and another for the "instrument-challenged" among us.

Back on track: Using premier lithiums you can count on 2.75-3.25 hours from the 2L, sometimes even more. The 4AA/Q40 will give you 3-3.5 hrs. At 3hrs it will be brighter than the 2L. In my repeated tests the Q40/4AA consistantly outran the Tec 40 by a substantial margin.

Lithiums in the Q40/4AA will give you 4.75-5.25 hrs of light. You can count on a solid 4.25-4.5 hrs of good light. The light will be whiter with lithiums than with alkalines. I have never tested NIMha's or Nicads.

Almost every flashlight manufacturer
"exaggerates" their run time figures. The most impressive APPARENT attempt at truthfulness is on the packaging of the Streamlight 4AA LED which displays a small chart of run time vs brightness expressed in distance of beam projection. I have the light but have not tested it for runtime.

Brightnorm
 
Originally posted by rlhess:
...Let's see 2.1W at 6V is 350mA at 5V is 420mA. There is some voltage drop. Let's say 385mA....2L I'd predict 2.6-3.4h depending on how dim/yellow you let it get....Q40 I'd predict 2.5-3.5h depending on how dim/yellow you let it get.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Richard,

I am a mathematical illiterate whose IQ seems to precipitously drop whenever I'm presented with numbers, but I'm working on it and would appreciate it if you'd take me through your calculations. Can you do it in a simple way so that I can understand what you did and how you arrived at those accurate figures? They do in fact reflect real world timings.

Thanks,
Brightnorm
 
Sure, Brightnorm...

Part of it is "feel" for things electronic. However, most of it is looking at the actual graphs of the run time in the tech data sheets.

The simple way of doing it is taking the rated capacity of the cells (1300 mAh for the 123s and 2850 for the AAs) but then the AAs will give you erroneous results.

Taking the lithium case first, and using the 1300mAh and the average of 385mA you get 3.4 hours.

Backing up a step. Ohms law.

The spec I had was 2.1W
P=IE
Power=Current times Voltage

There is an internal impedance to the battery. That's why the lithiums (lower internal impedance) provide about 400cd more output). So I had to pick a voltage and a current. I took a midpoint for fresh cells.

Now that you have a current draw (385mA) you can grossly assume constant current (not true as voltage falls, but we're not going to let the voltage fall that much 'cause then the lights get too yellow.)

You take the basic battery capacity rating in milli-amp hours (mAh) and divide that by the current draw in milli-amps and that leaves you with an hours hanging out.

mAh/mA=h

1300/385 is 3.4...that's where my high estimate for the lithiums came from.

The lower estimate for the lithiums was based on using 1000mAh as the capacity and fudging a bit.

Sadly, the graphs at http://data.energizer.com/datasheets/library/primary/lithium/el123ap.pdf were not much use.

The Alkaline graphs tell a different story. One of the challenges is that for AAs, 385mA is a relatively heavy load and the AAs won't deliver their full capacity at that level of constant drain.

The graphs at http://data.energizer.com/datasheets/library/primary/alkaline/energizer/consumer_o em/e91.pdf are full of much more useful information.

Looking at the constant current discharge, I looked at the 1.1V cutoff curve and that gave me roughly 2.5 hours. The 1V cutoff curve gives about 3.5 hours. This is hard to read and that's why the numbers are to half hours. Remember, this is a logarithmic chart and the lines after 1 are 2 3 4 ... but the spacing is such that each decade takes up the same space.

An interesting thing to notice on that graph is that the 100mA draw will provide about 5 hours to 1.3V cutoff (easy to read) while the 10mA draw will run for 150 hours. That's a difference of 500mAh to 1500mAh!

This is where the graphs tell MUCH more of the story than the single mAh number!

One other part of Ohm's Law to remember is
E=IR or
Voltage=Current times Resistance

There is a good write up on Ohm's Law at (surprisingly) http://ohmslaw.com/

Another thing to remember, the incandescent lamp acts a bit like a constant current load. As the voltage drops, the resistance of the lamp drops so the current draw will remain somewhat constant. That's one of the reasons that incandescents, once they start going, go quickly.

On the other hand, LEDs work quite differently.

LEDs have an (almost) constant voltage drop across them. Let's say the drop across the LED is 4V. You have a 6V source and a series resistor. The current is set by using 2V as the voltage in the resistance calculation, not 6V.

So, with a simple resistor in series with an LED, the current draw will go from max to zero as the battery voltage falls from initial to the voltage drop of the LED.

Well, the LED's voltage drop does reduce slightly as the current decreases, but LEDs are harder to predict to cutoff as their current drain DECREASES as the voltage falls. It's closer to the constant resistance (sort of) but not quite.

In practicality, however, I think that bright LED run times are similar to incandescent. As you may recall, I measured more drop in the Inova X5 (percentage wise) than in the E2e between a new pair and used pair of cells. It was at least a 10% greater drop in the X5.

As to LED life claims, the Aurora headlamp from PT is right up there! They claim 50 100 and 150 hours if I recall correctly. Those are probably overstated by a factor of 5, perhaps more.

See the other thread for some numbers in the LED section.

I hope this helps a bit.

Cheers,

Richard
 
Originally posted by rlhess:
I hope this helps a bit
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Richard, that was extremely helpful and detailed. Much appreciated!

Brightnorm
 
You're welcome--in re-reading it, I wish I had organized it better, but it kinda grew <smile>.

If you have any further questions, please ask and I'll _try_ to answer.

Cheers,

Richard
 
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