UV Glasses for Mc Gizmo UV lights

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Well, this has been amazing reading here. You are a very well educated person, and I thank you for your time.

I want to get a UV light from Don, not only for Norland, also, for looking in the desert for things that light up, and for a frequent traveller, to check around hotel rooms, you know from all the wild times that take place in hotels. That is what I wanted some UV glasses.

In film days of photography, we had light proof bags for 120 and 220 film as 120 had a paper backing only, and not very good, protection, 220 had nothing so it went right in a lightproof bag marked with the job titles. You know, I bet it is that welding sheeting you speak of, is sure looked like it. It may be hard to find photographic lightproof bags these days but not impossible.

One last question, is how can a company, as well respected like 3M is, one most of us love, who make great products get away with telling us they have UV glasses with a span of UV light they cover but, does not do that? They make Post is for us, for God's sake?

Do you think there any kind of safety glasses that exist for this, I would hate to travel with welding goggles, as I already take enough things with me?

I think I will call Norland and see what they tell us, and let you know what they say so we can get your thoughts. One this is all figured out we could actually have fun with UV at the levels we are going for in these one of a kind custom lights.

Thanks for your help,

NR
 
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Anytime friend, it was my pleasure.:)

As far as 3M goes, there are many cases worldwide of some customer service rep having no clue what they are saying.

As we said, intensity matters. A UV laser with enough intensity can defeat aluminum foil and burn through mirrors, nevermind whatever glasses the rep was speaking of. Sunglasses that claim to block 100% of UV will be a flaming puddle from something like that.
 
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Pretty typical for a "level 1" representative. They read from a script and have no particular knowledge or training, else they'd be more than an L1!

It's why when you have a really good tech problem that you must speak to more than one tech on the help line. They default you to L1 first.

I've done my time on "hell desk." Can't say I liked it.
 
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This corporate America straight, and why I work for myself. How they can put peoples eyesight in jeopardy is beyond me, no more Post it's for this office.

All it really takes for a great company to a bad one is a bad CEO change, and it's all over for the once great American companies. It won't be long before all this is made in no standards China.

What at a nightmare!
 
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Liability. That's what lawyers are for. For a company the size of 3M, that punitive settlement is going to be gigantic. Shouldn't take more than one hit to fix it.

Anyway, the buyer is supposed to know what they are buying and what they are doing. The seller won't be there when the buyer zaps themselves.

Kind of like buying a chainsaw and not knowing how to use it safely? The seller is going to sell.
 
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Called Norland and spoke to a CS Rep. In the technical division of the dept. that makes #60, and 61 the ones used here, so they knew exactly what I was talking about and while I did not ID my self as a journalist, I am trained to ask questions.

They took all my info and to date no reply.

I will give them one more try.

Again in I say it. --"Before 9-11, safety; after security."
Redled
 
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How long has Norland put you on hold? You'd think a company getting a call from a customer would want to sell some adhesive.

Is it possible that they actually don't know or just bad CS?
 
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How long has Norland put you on hold? You'd think a company getting a call from a customer would want to sell some adhesive.

Is it possible that they actually don't know or just bad CS?
Been long enough for a follow up call - to the president of the company, or CEO - Customer service gets one chance with me, they claimed to even make glasses, but I bet their general councel may have something to do with this. Look, this is a DOD vendor, and other large corporations, that make who knows what, and they could care less about their employees.

The thing is, there must me hundreds of thousands if not more people that work with UV everyday, so what do they use for protection?

I have no doubt they, Norland, make fine products, and I wager they have no interest in people engaged in a hobby to tell us any thing or even sell the stuff, some companies that sell industrial products want company letterhead. Or to go through a sales Rep.

Honestly, this is a simple question, however, it seems like trying to get in Fort Knox, and say "Hey, can we see the gold vault!" Would be much easier.

I just wanted a nice quality pair of safety glasses tested and approved. I'm buying the UV from Don no matter, I will just watch how I use it. Which I would do anyway.

To be fair to Norland, they were nice, and maybe there was a reason they could not get back to me. I know I can be very hard to get contact myself. I guess we all expect an instant response these days. So try again tomorrow.
 
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When I fly I wonder if damage is done to the TSA people checking ID's all day with that INNOVA UV light bouncing back at them, or are those lights safe enough to have no problems.

It it seems to me that time would take its toll no matter. Again I am no expert but, makes one wonder.

Now, I am not a big fan to the TSA, but these people are still Americans and most are fine people I'm sure, just doing their job and do not deserve to have eye issues later in life. I sincerely hope they are not being over looked by the government, or some bureaucrat that does not care.

The Goverment has had a long and awful history of not looking out for their employees, remember Agent Orange?

Yes, even the TSA needs as good as the protection we seek.
 
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Meanwhile, if you UV users out there would not mind letting the rest of us know what you use for eye protection, that may help. I was sort of looking to find a pair of quality safety glasses we could seem to agree that, these are the one's to get.
 
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Moderators, and arbitrator's

Please...Consider:

Can we move this out of the McGiz Forum to one more like alternative lighting, or something. Maybe start an exclusive UV sub forum for people to go their directly, seeking information on UV lights and the installation of Tritium Vials.

It has gone past simple UV questions on Mr. McLeish's UVs, as well as, his sales forum. Mr McLeish, is far from the only one who makes UV Lights, and I think we could get a better discussion as some may be afraid to say something important feeling they may offend Don, after all, he is the real master of this craft.

As as far as UV. Discussion, it has well exceeded it being debated in Mr. McLeish's sales sub forum.

This is something that needs to be discussed but, let's get it out of someone's sales area. The lack of straight answers is frustrating, the subject belongs elsewhere, and something that bothers me to no end is no straight answers, no matter the subject, and I don't want all the pressure to, be on Mr. McLeish, the world's most prolific builder and designer of flashlights the world has ever seen!

There are many, many more people here who know this subject of UV safety on a
par beyond what the average person knows, and so far "More_ Vampires" is the only one who is a scientist, that has had the courage to speak up. Thanks MV! That means a lot to me as I am just trying to save people from eyesight trouble down the road, years from now.

So, I ask it be moved out of this forum to another for further important discussion, and if this is all the information we get from this community, well that is Really sad indeed, as we know there are people on this forum who could offer advice, but don't, and maybe should not on a sales form such as Don's where so many of have had the her ill of buying one of his amazing lights.

And, Because we all know some people are doing damage to their eyesight for the WOW! factor of some silly Trit vials. I feel it important the forum community have an area where people can read up on what they are doing before they start.

Yes, Trit. Vials, they are great fun, cool and all,that and, I also, have them on some of my lights, however, they have been installed with industrial silicone glue.

I will try Norland again for some information: meaning a response to my very simple questions, on eye protection, otherwise it may be time to abandon them for this purpose, as they have no interest in the consumer market. Really,,that is a big thing if they don't, and just want to stick to the DOD mega money. Certainly something to think about no matter how cool it is to have Norland.

And, of course I know the feedback coming my way, and please understand I am far, far from The PC crowd but this is truly dangerous to, our flashlight colleagues here on CPF.

Lasers have their own sub-forum in "Beyond Flashlights," should UV be in that area, I'm not certain, I will leave that to, the Moderators, I do think the time has come for UV to have a section of it's own for safety, this subject can be in the sales forums as an addition to, the product, and it, capabilities but, just general and safety discussion of eye damaging light, in a forum s well as discussion of the physics behind It, would be a great addition to CPF's educational aspects.

I do feel the the time has come to move this out of the McGizmo forum, and into a forum dedicated to UV issues and the proper knowledge and handling for dealing with these unique and hazardous lights as they can be bought in any hardware store these days.

Thank You, Moderators, I feel this is an important safety issue for all users experienced, or not to have it a place where people can seek information.

A good place for this may be in Spotlights and HID Lights. Maybe?

However, an exclusive about section UV flashlights would be an excellent idea, and very responsible on the part of the CPF Forum. With the the regard to care , use and handling of UV flashlights would really be perfect.

Again in thank you.

Also, sorry Don if this got too big for your forum, you know me as a customer and would nor want to do anything to cause you any trouble.

With all best wishes,

RL
 
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In flashlight general, CPF UV Hazard thread has been started. :)

We can take this to there.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...PF-UV-Hazard-Thread-Protect-your-eyes-and-DNA

I know for certain that I don't know 100% of everything. Won't stop me from trying to help. Working together, we can achieve more than we can separately.

Good luck, everyone! :)
See my post in LED flashlights. I suggest the idea of a UV sub thread, and I honestly did not see your post, here MV, but do give you credit in the in one I made lobbying for a strictly UV sub forum.

Really, I feel it's time has come. There are so many people are using UV lights these days, it is not a novelty any more.

So, I want to cease and desist any and all comments referring to UV. Lights here in the McGizmo sub forum. With the exception of routine questions about Don's lights he can take care of himself.

As the original OP, someone with higher powers please lock down this thread, and we will work on one somewhere else as I think it's moment has arrived.

I had ad no idea it would get so big, sorry for that.

And, Don sorry if I caused you any problems here. I will be placing an order for a UV and head soon. Thank you!
 
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Hello everyone - I am new to the forum, but have found it incredibly helpful. I thought I should chime in here.
As many have pointed out, yes, we use 460nm curing lights in dentistry, but they are really not that bright. As someone else mentioned, that is why there is an orange shield on some lights.
Where we need eye protection in dentistry is when we utilize soft tissue lasers. As many can attest, we have used metals to restore teeth for years. These are highly reflective, and when we are using 1.3W lasers in the mouth, an unexpected reflection from some metal could be catastrophic.

"Innovative Optics" is a very high-end optical manufacturer that provides filters for dental loupes (magnification glasses).

Their website has a "filter selection" page which will help you to find your need. "Dental patient protective eye wear" is also available from many reliable dental suppliers. Make sure to locate "orange", as these are designed to protect the eye from the 420-480nm curing lights used in dentistry.
 
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