Warning labels?

GJW

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I've been seeing warnings on some of the newer LED products to not look directly at the LED.
Is this just marketing hoakum or some kind of corporate CYA or is there really some eye danger associated with the new LEDs that wasn't always there with incandescents?
 
IMHO, It is partially marketing hoakum and partially to reduce liability. With any sort of bright light, you will do damage to your eyes if you look in to it.

Fortunately, with the old incandescents, the light was scattered every which way and relied on the reflector to focus it. People could gauge how bright it was by without having to look directly at the light. It was instinctive. So much side-scatter, and it feels really hot, so it is very bright. That sort of mentality.

LEDs run cool, so you can't gauge if the light is bright just from emitted heat. It relies on a tiny reflect just on the rear of the die, and a built-in lens (that epoxy casing) to focus the light. Hence, there is very little side-scatter. It looks really dim from the side, so what do most people do? They stare straight down in to the LED. By which time, you have one small intense beam burning straight in to your eye.

Just my opinion and observations from whenever I introduce my friends to my lights (especially when we compare pocketlights like Photon-II, Arc-AAA, Solitaire and UKE-2AAA).
 
It's not marketing on the Luxeon star series- the 1w version is bright enough to make looking directly at an UNfocused, bare emmitter uncomfortable. The 5w version is LOTS brighter.

I worry about the royal-blue version- people have mentioned how the reflected beam is painful to look at. I hope that's because things are fluorescing (sp), not due to UV exposure.
 
Google search for "blue light" +"eye damage"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A762662.
"Nichia Corporation of Japan, one of the pioneers of the blue/green LED, now produce a true green LED that is so bright that it cannot be viewed for more than a few seconds without eye damage occurring."
and on looking for a source for that, this:

http://www.go-led.de/datenblatt/W500BS.pdf
"The LED light output is strong enough to injure human eyes. Precautions must be taken to prevent looking directly at the LEDs for more than a few seconds." -- Specifications For Nichia White LED
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http://www.open2.net/science/backgroundbrief/sun/story.htm
"St Thomas's Hospital in London.... John Marshall demonstrated how human sight works....

"at the back there's the retina, which is concerned with detecting an image and sending it to the brain. ...

"... the damage is caused by the concentrating effect actually causing changes in the retina at the back of your eye.

"... and we think that the retina can be harmed over time by overexposure to light, particularly blue light.

"... if you've damaged your retina, there's no pain perception, and the only way you'll know is because some dysfunction in your vision. An optician will be able to investigate the condition further. But unfortunately if you have damaged the back of your eye, it's permanent."
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http://www.femto.sims.nrc.ca/LaserSafety/lsafety7.htm.
"Wavelengths between 400 nm and 550 nm ...
are particularly hazardous for long-term retinal exposures or exposures lasting for minutes or hours. They can cause photochemical injuries to the retina (i.e. blue-light photoretinitis) which may lead to permanent blind spots (scotomas)."

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http://www.twi.co.uk/j32k/protected/band_13/faq_radiation.html
"Intense visible light particularly approaching UV or 'blue light' wavelengths, passes through the cornea and lens and can dazzle and, in extreme cases, damage the network of optically sensitive nerves on the retina."
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http://www.nrpb.org/publications/documents_of_nrpb/abstracts/absd13-1.htm
"... gazing at very bright light sources, particularly those emitting shorter wavelength blue light, causes retinal damage resulting in transient or permanent loss of visual acuity. ... Similar damage has also been induced in the non-human primate retina following acute exposure, particularly to blue light."
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http://prism.mit.edu/cmse/CHSP0601/7.pdf.
"Researchers must be aware of the "blue light" hazard. The threshold for eye damage is 100 times lower for blue light than for red or near-ultraviolet. For example, the diffuse reflection of a multiwatt argon ion laser beam falling on a black beam stop can be an eye hazard."
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www.caves.org.uk/led/led-myths.html
"A white LED is, in reality, a blue LED (light-emitting diode) surrounded by a phosphorescent dye that glows white when it is struck by blue light. .... people have noticed the pronounced blue peak in graphs of the power spectrum...."
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www.rockefeller.edu/lab/NONRAD/nonrad.html

"Visible light (400-780 nm) ... pass through the cornea and lens and are focused on the retina. Due to this focusing, light energy that reaches the back of the eye is increased by a factor of 100,000 over the energy incident on the cornea. Thus, significant retinal damage is possible from low radiation levels. ...

"For visible (white) light, threshold limit values (TLVs) are only recommended1 if the luminance of the source exceeds 1 candela (cd)/cm2. Threshold limit values have been proposed for blue light..."
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http://www.stao.org/safeart6.htm.
"The blue light threshold for retinal damage is several orders of magnitude below that for red light or IR. The primary site of injury is the photoreceptors ....

"Waveband: Blue Light
Acute Effects: Photochemical
Chronic Effects: Retinopathy (damage to photoreceptors); Age-related macular degeneration."
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http://dinc.com/maf/1999/nl_06_03.htm.

"Each eye contains a small patch of specialized tissue in the back of the eyeball at the center of the retina called a macula. Deterioration of the macula in the retina can result in partial or complete blindness. Those over 60 are most vulnerable to this condition, called age-related macular degeneration (AMD) - which has no cure ....

Inspection of eye tissues reveals high concentrations of some carotenoids, which act as antioxidants to reduce damage to eye cells by free radicals resulting from factors like sunlight. It appears that those who eat a diet containing lots of carotenoids have the healthiest eyes....

"It isn't clear why carotenoids are especially eye-healthy, but it is theorized that they may function as filters that protect the eyes from blue light, which is a band of radiation from sunlight that can cause eye damage."
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"Think of it as evolution in action."
- Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle, _Oath of Fealty_

"THINK!"
- John Watson, IBM

Please don't just blow by this long posting, folks.

Notice that your retina is 100x more sensitive to damage from blue than from red light,
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Notice that there is no immediate warning, no pain associated with retinal damage, only a slow, incurable loss of the ability to see.
 
Removed silly joke to keep thread on topic / sensible

Will no longer post after getting home from the pub
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UV Radiation is nothing to laugh about, I spent an afternoon watching a 1500w laser cut steel and didn't know that I was getting damage to my eyes since I was wearing plastic glasses

I had a terrible headache the rest of the day
 
Last week I bought a five gallon plastic bucket. It came with a 5"x7" warning label that babies could somehow fall and drown in the bucket, if left partially filled with water. I don't know how the human race managed to survive before warning labels....
 
Live is sooooo dangerous...

Frome the warning paper of the solar free light:

'Neither freelight nor any part of it should be eaten'
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Did you realize before? So DON't eat it!
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I agree about some of these warnings being stupid. My all time general favorite.

Caution: Coffee is hot.
 
Lightlover asked me to repost the above long set of references and quotes about the risks of eye damage as a new topic in the Cafe section.
 
Most cutting lasers are CO2, and are an 'Eye safe' wavelength of IR. 'Eye safe' because the cornea absorbs it, but too much will cause cataracts, and REALLY high levels will cause the "Microwave a grape with a 10Kw Maser" effect.

Large CO2 lasers are cheaper to operate than many of the higher-frequency lasers. (argon-ion, etc)
 
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