I think the way things are going here, the trend is that there are no "definite" answers, but I'm sure willing to try anything that works great... I personally find that if somethig works great or at least much better than average, it's a solution that is worth my attention, at least until the day I accidentally stumble on something that works a little better, but not just slightly better. A little better is often noticeably better, but slightly better for the same investment or more is not satisfyingly better. Apparently that flashaholics tend to look for "perfect", which in this case, due to the nature of the phenomenon at cause would be to actually "hide" the handicapping problem is unfortunately impossible without hiding more than just the problem, but also the very thing that the solution is trying to highlight as well (translation: if you want to hide the fog completely, close your eyes).
What is the best flashlight in the fog?
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I think the way things are going here, the trend is that there are no "definite" answers, but I'm sure willing to try anything that works great... I personally find that if somethig works great or at least much better than average, it's a solution that is worth my attention, at least until the day I accidentally stumble on something that works a little better, but not just slightly better. A little better is often noticeably better, but slightly better for the same investment or more is not satisfyingly better. Apparently that flashaholics tend to look for "perfect", which in this case, due to the nature of the phenomenon at cause would be to actually "hide" the handicapping problem is unfortunately impossible without hiding more than just the problem, but also the very thing that the solution is trying to highlight as well (translation: if you want to hide the fog completely, close your eyes).
ACHË
Newly Enlightened
Well...
Looks like I just got in with yet another answer to this one.
I just got back from a 3 day camping trip in the "foggiest" mountains of my islands rainforest.
I'm talking fog so thick you can cut it with a knife!
2 people
4 flashlights (I had 4 of them on me😗)
6 bumpy muddy miles in the pitch black dark with more fog than one would ever want.
Two of the lights EXCELLED at this:
EagleTac T20C2
Raidfire Spear
They are both throwers and ultimately that's what you need to pierce the fog. With these lights we could see about 30~50ft in front of us depending on the eternally changing thickness of the fog; and because of the moderately wide spill(which only travels 3~4 feet in fog like that) we could see the ground in front of us and could watch our step.
These two lights are nothing special in terms of beam quality so I'm sure others with similar beam patterns will work out just fine.
Other lights we had:
Floody P7 / MC-E's = fail
*all you see is a massive white ball of fog that ruins your night vision
Aspheric = fail
*you can see futher; but not THAT much and; cant make out where you are stepping unless you aim at the floor in front of you, but of course, the intense spot will make you loose your night vision.
Keep in mind that this is just my experience in outdoor hilly, muddy, wet, windy conditions for winding trails that are full of ditches, cracks, limbs and 10 foot falls all around.
For urban fog walking, perhaps other lights will work better.
Looks like I just got in with yet another answer to this one.
I just got back from a 3 day camping trip in the "foggiest" mountains of my islands rainforest.
I'm talking fog so thick you can cut it with a knife!
2 people
4 flashlights (I had 4 of them on me😗)
6 bumpy muddy miles in the pitch black dark with more fog than one would ever want.
Two of the lights EXCELLED at this:
EagleTac T20C2
Raidfire Spear
They are both throwers and ultimately that's what you need to pierce the fog. With these lights we could see about 30~50ft in front of us depending on the eternally changing thickness of the fog; and because of the moderately wide spill(which only travels 3~4 feet in fog like that) we could see the ground in front of us and could watch our step.
These two lights are nothing special in terms of beam quality so I'm sure others with similar beam patterns will work out just fine.
Other lights we had:
Floody P7 / MC-E's = fail
*all you see is a massive white ball of fog that ruins your night vision
Aspheric = fail
*you can see futher; but not THAT much and; cant make out where you are stepping unless you aim at the floor in front of you, but of course, the intense spot will make you loose your night vision.
Keep in mind that this is just my experience in outdoor hilly, muddy, wet, windy conditions for winding trails that are full of ditches, cracks, limbs and 10 foot falls all around.
For urban fog walking, perhaps other lights will work better.
Juggernaut
Flashlight Enthusiast
He never got back to us? He must be lost…. Gazing at the mighty sealed beam bulb, worshiping it's superiority:naughty:. Don't be amazed when you see the market place get flooded with all of his lesser lights😱, for he now understands the greatness of the 4546:duh2:! On a realistic note🙄: I'd like to see what you found Lux😗.
StandardBattery
Flashlight Enthusiast
"Definitive"?
I presume this would come with pictures... and you're not sharing? 😕
We can handle the truth, so spill it... the is always plenty of fog for a rematch if anyone feels it is necessary.
M@elstrom
Flashlight Enthusiast
Well this thread should have "cooled off" sufficiently by now to resurrect, I'm extremely curious as to your "findings" LuxLuthor, care to share now? 🙂
Agree. Certain people who were of issue haven't even been back to CPF since February. Oh oh Please Please Please LuxLuthor?
Bullzeyebill
Flashaholic
I think that we should let "sleeping threads lie".
Bill
Bill
So are you suggesting another thread be started? The OP posted a very valid question that "needs" to be answered with some real world data. I would like to see what the answer is even though I have an idea of what it will be. There has been some not so well chosen words in this thread but I don't see why we can't have a happy ending. Hmm..then again something tells me people will just argue ad-nauseum regardless of what proof ol Luxypoo gives.:shrug:
Sgt. LED
Flashaholic
Be careful about asking for a happy ending.
Could get you arrested........
Could get you arrested........
I keep getting the feeling I missed something. Something bad happened here but I guess I'm too dumb to see what.:shrug:
HooNz
Enlightened
How dare you NaNa me when the NaNa is not in the center of this widescreen Lcd :wave:
Fusion_m8
Flashlight Enthusiast
This morning I went for an early dawn walk and took both my cheap DX warm(2800K) & cool(6000K) MC-E lights out for a walk in the fog. I'd have to agree that a a warm LED beats a cool LED hands down in the dark, foggy and wet conditions. The cool white LED just washes out everything and produces too much glare, the warm LED doesn't glare my vision as much and provides much better depth perception and colour rendition. Sorry, but my vote has to go warm LED or incand for this one.
Kingfisher
Enlightened
Forgive an ignorant old fart but I find that it depends on a combination of factors. As someone who has done a lot of driving in fog, working in fog at roadside, and just plain walking around in a fog 🙂crackup:) please permit the following observations and questions and whilesome of this applies to headlights it works as well for flashlights in most cases.
Is it a matter of seeing or being seen? I have been in situations where seeing was less important than being seen. Oncoming drivers notice bright glow in the fog better than pencil beams. Seeing a reflector can be easier with one type of light or beam pattern and can be more important than actually seeing down the road or path.
Seeing in the fog with a light depends on several different factors in my experience. If you are driving with pencil beam fog lights that are properly aimed and positioned (mounted low on the vehicle and aimed at a downward angle) that works better for me than an equal amount of light that is either mounted higher on the vehicle or aimed "flat." I know of several people who would even drive with their headlights off and run only with fog lights. Most people who have ridden with them agreed to some degree. However I know of others who insist on high beams and for those people it seems that the ability to not be blinded by the spill and extra lumens is more a matter of their physiology than the lights since people riding with them mentioned it being close to being snow blind. The same things can be said to a large degree about walking in fog (some likea narrow, low angle beam and some like a really bright wall of light).
Something else to consider -- color (tint and/or temperature) also deals with a matter of contrast. Some situations benefit from perceived changes in the background contrast. For instance, conditions of snow and or fog where seeing the terrain of the road is as or more important than distance comes to mind. If the road is rutted or the ditch blends in with the road (especially nasty in a combo of fog and snow), distance can be a secondary concern and contrast becomes a significant factor. Ditto for walking in fog and snow.
Like most things in life there are more than a few considerations and more than a few viewpoints (literally). People tend to think of light as being used only for aiding general vision and not about it being important so they are able to be seen as well. Additionally being able to see reflectors and discern shapes can sometimes be more important than seeing in detail.
It's important to consider more factors and to think about things "in three dimensions."
The only sensible post in a sea of fog.
Too many posts here with people not seeming to know what they're talking about.
For finding say, your house in the fog, a Surefire 6p would be better than a really bright LED? If you want to be seen in fog use bright red like cars rear end?
DM51
Flashaholic
Why the question marks?
Kingfisher
Enlightened
To see if anyone agrees
Do you think they need to be removed ??????????????????????????????????????????????
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DM51
Flashaholic
The two sentences were constructed as statements, not questions. Question marks were therefore inappropriate. If you want to ask a question, please make sure it IS a question.
Errors in punctuaton can cause confusion, especially where question marks are used to ape the annoying new trend of using a rising cadence at the end of a statement.
Beamshots in the fog
Looking at these pictures, it becomes obvious that too much light will just not show anything for the user, but would help being seen from a good distance.
Kingfisher: I have done some experiences with a TK11, TK20, TK40 and a red filter on the TK11. The red filter gave the best results, but the reduced output made it hard to really se well around 100 yards. I did not have a good incan back then, but I'd say the best results would lie somewhere between an incan with a red to orange filter. Derek Dean said he would test a bunch of colored filters back on that other thread, which i brought up to see if he has any results.
Looking at these pictures, it becomes obvious that too much light will just not show anything for the user, but would help being seen from a good distance.
Kingfisher: I have done some experiences with a TK11, TK20, TK40 and a red filter on the TK11. The red filter gave the best results, but the reduced output made it hard to really se well around 100 yards. I did not have a good incan back then, but I'd say the best results would lie somewhere between an incan with a red to orange filter. Derek Dean said he would test a bunch of colored filters back on that other thread, which i brought up to see if he has any results.
Kingfisher
Enlightened
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Fusion_m8
Flashlight Enthusiast
Kingfisher
Enlightened
Ok, but it seems you don't know how to use it!
Try to see the humour (English spelling) and stop being a teachers pet. You are supposed to put my quote above your reply BTW - it's a bit confusing to read the reply first.
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