What watch you're wearing?

[bykfixer]

It's a British dish, alongside toad in the hole, pie and mash, bubble and squeak, a full English, Eton mess, jam roly poly and spotted ****.

Allllllllrighty then.

 

[bykfixer]

67 Sportmatic cyclops is back on my wrist today.
I want to time it vs my phone because if I recall correct it still runs pretty accurate.
In the background is a 1980 model Lord Quartz and a Sofirn C01 Yuji (warm edition).

 

[Gremlin]

My everyday watch is a Longines Conquest VHP circa 2017. Built like a tank with a perpetual calendar, sapphire glass with AR coating on both sides. Well defined hour markers with luminous indicators that last the duration of an entire movie. Love this piece...

 

[Monocrom]

My everyday watch is a Longines Conquest VHP circa 2017. Built like a tank with a perpetual calendar, sapphire glass with AR coating on both sides. Well defined hour markers with luminous indicators that last the duration of an entire movie. Love this piece...

One, Welcome to CPF.
Two, your watch has a Date feature.
That is not a perpetual calendar complication.

 

[Gremlin]

One, Welcome to CPF.
Two, your watch has a Date feature.
That is not a perpetual calendar complication.

Thank you, but you are incorrect.

The movement inside the Conquest V.H.P. – dubbed Caliber L288.2 in its three-hand-with-calendar version and L289.2 in the version with chronograph functions – is not only notable for its high degree of precision but also for its use of a GPD (gear position detection) system that quickly resets the watch's hands after an impact or exposure to a magnetic field. Longines has also equipped the movement with an exceptionally long battery life of nearly five years and, like its 1990s predecessor, a built-in perpetual calendar.

 

[Monocrom]

A lot of No-Date watches have Date wheels underneath their dials that are completely covered up. Simply due to the fact that most movements come with one, and it's just easier and cheaper to not bother removing the Wheel. Toss it in, cover it up with a dial that has no date window. Literally no one describes their No-Date watches as having a Date feature. Even though it's there, underneath.... hidden by the dial. I know that particular Longines has a perpetual calendar underneath. But the fact that you cannot access it, cannot use it as the owner of the watch, well; that's what I meant by your watch only having a date feature. Apologies for any confusion my earlier post may have caused.

 

[iacchus]

A lot of No-Date watches have Date wheels underneath their dials that are completely covered up. Simply due to the fact that most movements come with one, and it's just easier and cheaper to not bother removing the Wheel. Toss it in, cover it up with a dial that has no date window. Literally no one describes their No-Date watches as having a Date feature. Even though it's there, underneath.... hidden by the dial. I know that particular Longines has a perpetual calendar underneath. But the fact that you cannot access it, cannot use it as the owner of the watch, well; that's what I meant by your watch only having a date feature. Apologies for any confusion my earlier post may have caused.

What are you on about here, Mono? Do you mean it doesn't have a day complication so can't be? Because that isn't a necessary feature.
The VHP has a perpetual cal, it is one of it's long held selling points (while they made them, anyway).
It is just a date feature that takes leap year and shorter months into account. While there are more elaborate versions some offer, the Longines offering is both necessary, sufficient, and perfectly usable by the wearer.

Lovely watch, btw, @Gremlin

 

[Monocrom]

What are you on about here, Mono? Do you mean it doesn't have a day complication so can't be? Because that isn't a necessary feature.
The VHP has a perpetual cal, it is one of it's long held selling points (while they made them, anyway).
It is just a date feature that takes leap year into account. While there are more elaborate versions some offer, the Longines offering is both necessary, sufficient, and perfectly usable by the wearer.

Lovely watch, btw, @Gremlin

Obviously it has a Date feature. That is clearly visible. Again, no one talks about features hidden completely underneath the case and dial. A Perpetual Calendar complication and a Date complication can and usually are two separate things. You can have a Date complication without a Perpetual Calendar complication attached to it. In the case of this Longines model, owner of the watch has access only to the Date complication. Zero access to the Perpetual Calendar underneath.

I have a Ridge watch. I know, based on the movement inside, it has a Date Wheel. But it is completely covered up and inaccessible. Let's say I decide to sell it. I put it up on eBay, describing all its features. One of which is that the movement has a Date Wheel attached to it. Then someone buys it without taking a close look at the pictures. I take his money, send him his watch. Then later on get a very angry email demanding a refund. Why? There's no Date complication on the watch. For the buyer, that's a deal-breaker.

Now imagine how utterly ticked off he'd be if I said something along the following lines, "It has a Date feature.... It's just hidden underneath the case/dial where you can't see it. It has one, you just can't use it. I didn't lie. I didn't misrepresent what you're getting."

Do you see the problem? I think we can both agree that the Buyer would have every right in the world to be mad as Hell at such a Seller.
That's why literally no one talks about features hidden away that the owners of said watches cannot access, and cannot use.

 

[iacchus]

Obviously it has a Date feature. That is clearly visible. Again, no one talks about features hidden completely underneath the case and dial. A Perpetual Calendar complication and a Date complication can and usually are two separate things. You can have a Date complication without a Perpetual Calendar complication attached to it. In the case of this Longines model, owner of the watch has access only to the Date complication. Zero access to the Perpetual Calendar underneath.

I have a Ridge watch. I know, based on the movement inside, it has a Date Wheel. But it is completely covered up and inaccessible. Let's say I decide to sell it. I put it up on eBay, describing all its features. One of which is that the movement has a Date Wheel attached to it. Then someone buys it without taking a close look at the pictures. I take his money, send him his watch. Then later on get a very angry email demanding a refund. Why? There's no Date complication on the watch. For the buyer, that's a deal-breaker.

Now imagine how utterly ticked off he'd be if I said something along the following lines, "It has a Date feature.... It's just hidden underneath the case/dial where you can't see it. It has one, you just can't use it. I didn't lie. I didn't misrepresent what you're getting."

Do you see the problem? I think we can both agree that the Buyer would have every right in the world to be mad as Hell at such a Seller.
That's why literally no one talks about features hidden away that the owners of said watches cannot access, and cannot use.

On the VHP, the Date feature IS the perpetual calendar. There are no hidden or extra features under the dial, inaccessible.

Minimum requirements for a perpetual calendar is a date wheel that takes the specific days of each month into account, for some amount of time into the future. The VHP meets those minimum requirements. If I remember correctly, this watch also updates daylight savings automatically (I know some of their VHP do).

It is a perpetual calendar on the face of it. No hidden trickery or play of words. It is exactly what they advertise it to be. You never have to set the date (outside of a dead battery anyway). The date will be perpetually correct.

 

[Monocrom]

On the VHP, the Date feature IS the perpetual calendar. There are no hidden or extra features under the dial, inaccessible.

Can you see the Perpetual Calendar complication through the Date window? No. All you can see is the Date complication ONLY. Therefore the P.C. is a hidden feature. Really don't understand why you're trying to pick a fight after I clarified twice what I meant in my earlier comment in this thread. But, I'm not going to play this silly game. Normally I enjoy reading your posts, I'm just going to chalk this up as an unfortunate misunderstanding and move on. Thank you.

 

[iacchus]

Can you see the Perpetual Calendar complication through the Date window? No. All you can see is the Date complication ONLY. Therefore the P.C. is a hidden feature. Really don't understand why you're trying to pick a fight after I clarified twice what I meant in my earlier comment in this thread. But, I'm not going to play this silly game. Normally I enjoy reading your posts, I'm just going to chalk this up as an unfortunate misunderstanding and move on. Thank you.

I dunno man, take it up w/ Longines.
It is an advertised feature of the watch, and works I assume as intended.

I have a Casio Oceanus that advertises the same thing, works the same way. They have a date that never needs to be set by the user, and that counts as a perpetual calendar. A simple date function, that operates in such a way as to be perpetually correct, meets the requirements to be designated as such.

I think you are under the idea that it requires a more elaborate and showy complication to rise to the perpetual calendar designation. Longines (and Casio) do not agree. Nor does Omega, see their Constellation Perpetual Calendar (Ref:396.1202) model HERE.

You'll notice that the Omega has only a date window.
It is not a particularly uncommon feature on high end quartz models, Mono. And the nomenclature involved has been around for quite some time in common usage for them. Timex even makes a few.

I'm just trying to make sure that the manufacturer's designation is clear in the convo.

 

[scalpel_ninja]

I’m completely new to watches and perpetual calendars are included in my ignorance. I read the description of a perpetual calendar and it seems it is a feature where the date does not need to be adjusted for months that have less than 31 days and accounts for leap years. What kind of “access” does one potentially have to a perpetual calendars versus it being hidden? Is it just visibility of the mechanism?

 

[iacchus]

I'm completely new to watches and perpetual calendars are included in my ignorance. I read the description of a perpetual calendar and it seems it is a feature where the date does not need to be adjusted for months that have less than 31 days and accounts for leap years. What kind of "access" does one potentially have to a perpetual calendars versus it being hidden? Is it just visibility of the mechanism?

Mechanical perpetual calendars are an expression of a watchmaker's skill and are usually very elaborate affairs. They are much more complicated to achieve in a mechanical movement, and as such tend to show all the wonders involved making such work. They also tend to be pretty spendy. Here's a Lange & Sohne PC that goes for about $130K.

In a quartz, it is often just a date window, sometimes a Day as well. You can get them a little cheaper to boot.

The end result is simply what you list, though. The rest is just how you get there.

 

[Monocrom]

I'm completely new to watches and perpetual calendars are included in my ignorance. I read the description of a perpetual calendar and it seems it is a feature where the date does not need to be adjusted for months that have less than 31 days and accounts for leap years. What kind of "access" does one potentially have to a perpetual calendars versus it being hidden? Is it just visibility of the mechanism?

This video should help in understanding what a Perpetual Calendar is, and how it works:

 

[Dave D]

Perhaps someday I can afford a true Omega Speedy however for now I am enjoying this homage by Pagani. No where close to the Omega however for the price it is a fun beater watch.
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I also have a Pagani but today I've built myself a Speedy homage using parts sourced from AliExpress.

 

[bykfixer]

Here's my Seiko kinetic. It thinks every month has 31 days.

 

[Robocop]

Dave that is a slick mod and I have been toying with the idea of making my own. Perhaps I will order the parts tonight, I am assuming you used the moonswatch clone from Aliexpress as a base. What case did you use and did you have to use a different movement holder....also were you able to use the original stem and crown or did you cut one to size

 

[Dave D]

Dave that is a slick mod and I have been toying with the idea of making my own. Perhaps I will order the parts tonight, I am assuming you used the moonswatch clone from Aliexpress as a base. What case did you use and did you have to use a different movement holder....also were you able to use the original stem and crown or did you cut one to size

I did use the clone from AliExpress and the following parts

33mm Plastic PE50 Movement Holder
39.7mm Men's watch metal case to fit VK63 movement with black bezel ring
PE50 winding stem, requires cutting about 1mm longer than the one supplied in the clone.
20mm strap of your choice.

The below video shows how to do the conversion.


If you have any questions then message me.

 

[bykfixer]

2010 Eco-Drive today

I really like the bracelet

 

[Robocop]

Dave thanks for the links and I am starting this build soon. I was stuck on the movement holder as the tutorials I was watching all used a genuine moonswatch as a donor. It appeared that if using the genuine moonswatch a custom movement holder had to be fashioned. The Aliexpress has a different movement and nice to know a ready made holder is easy to find for this mod.