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Wonka, What i'd like to know is, do you have any proof of your accusations? At all. Chris has spent over a month in China. Do you think he just went there for a holiday? I think not.
I honestly think you should get all the facts before you you start shooting your mouth off.
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Leadlights come from Tiawan. Business travel? Likely. How can one be expected to get all the facts when there are no facts being presented? Speculation is what most people resort to when that happens. However, I personally believe his responce to be a well thought out educated guess.
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When it comes down to scratch, these products end up being totally diffrent. Each has its own unique aspect and attributes. I really don't think there is any need to rubbish someones product. Diffrent people are going to have diffrent requirements.
As for the product looking the same as a leadlight. These things come from china. do you know how easy it is to get exact replica designs done over there?
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Its not as easy as you make it sound to get duplicates made. Expect to buy a minimum of 5000 pieces and provide the prints. Your lucky to see a cad program in some of the factories.
Heres the problem: You have heat that needs to go somewhere. And unless Tao has been working with a high level foundry to design a new metal compound that conducts heat very well and is easy to machine I doubt its more than a leadlight with a 9mm hole drilled and blue paint.
There is simply NO reliable way to passively cool such a device. There has to be forced cooling of somekind. There is no way around it.
I can get brass milled for 10 cents a foot in bulk, 2 cents for threads, 1 cent for an oval button stamp out.
I personally would have added a 1/4 inch to the diameter and installed thin heat-pipe to at least distribute the heat across the entire unit.
But thats just me.
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Let alone, for all you know chris is getting the housing from the same place leadlight get theirs from, after all The jasper has the same housing as the Z-Bolt BTG-10, and the PGL-III has the same housing as the HZLGP-MOD2.
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There are 5 manufacturers I know of. All laser pointers I have seen can be traced to them.
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Some of the pointers on Chris page now look more like a changchun pointer.
In the end, i'll end up with both. These really do end up being 2 diffrent product, to suit the needs of diffrent people.
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To each his own.
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I don't know the whole facts on wickeds products, or if clever laser are associated with them. But i don't see the need to rubbish the product. So what? it has a duty cycle? what did you expect from such a compact laser? you can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Your certaintly very adamate about your point on "professionalism" and "honesty"
The known information stands. WHOIS database searches and known ebay accounts and selling tactics are in question here.
I think the argument here is rooted in ethics. My personal experience has colored my opinion as your experience has colored yours.
The simple fact still remains. A 500mW diode can easily eat over 600mA depending on quality. Diodes are extremely sensitive to ESD and heat. And theres a load of heat involved here given the emitter size.
Want to know a secret? To make a pointer produce green right up to the point where it boils itself into a "DED" as "The LED Musuem" states is to install a 805nM diode. The heat will cause it to shift to a proper 808nM right up to the point where the micron sized emitter fractures.
Thats also a good way to fake a "high quality" unit.
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I just don't think its the CPF thing to trash perfectly good product, (which admittadly has some limitations) without the evidence to back it up.
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As soon as evidence(technical documents) is provided and I will be glad to reverse my comments if they are wrong. If not, you owe me a bottle of good single malt scotch.
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Maybe give the guy some credit.It wasn't too long ago every one here was talking about "lets put a 500mW diode in a pointer and then we can get some sick power....... yeah, awesome idea." Chris has obviously put time and money into these new products, and in the process been able to lower his prices. 6 months ago there would have been drool everywhere.
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You hit the nail on the head. Money.
Money was spent, thats all. Of all the pointers he has sold see if you can count the number of people who could accurately measure the output of them? I guesstimate the average is 100:1
Of the units I have measured very few of them even met the lowest listed rating for the product.
Thats a LOT of money for a pot mod. And I say pot mod, because I was unable to find a single functional difference.
Im still open to be corrected with evidence here. And my offer still stands, ship me a pointer in question with return postage and I will test it with my coherent laser check at different temperatures. Hell, if you want I will stick a good IR filter infront of the unit to make sure just the green is being measured.
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I can almost garauntee, that sooner or later, CNI are going to get sick of sending out 1 pointer at a time and either jack up the price or or stop going direct to the consumer, honestly they'd rather be dispatching 20 or 30.
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More power to them, however the US laser pointer market is very unstable right now. If I was them (and had their legal problems with importing in the past) I would ride it for all its worth.
Heres another thing to concider:
The FDA does not regulate sales, the regulate the products, and entrance into the country. That is their mandated statute of limitations.
Assuming Tao did decide to start producing items from OEM components he would have to submit quite a lot of documentation to the FDA, most of which requires quarterly updates.
http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/devadvice/311.html#link_3
But if one were to drill a hole, slap some paint on, and use the existing accession number and conveniently forgets to notify the CDRH, whos the wiser?
All that aside: Buy a leadlight, purchase a 500mW diode, a 3 cent resistor, and thermal paste.
You will save about $150 and have the same product and a new found respect for being a hobbyist.
Just my 2 cents. (currently in USD, so its weak) Read it how you need to.
