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hmm...i figured i should start another topic on this to get more responces. but the title says it all. why do certain people [surefire fans] love to hate maglights? maybe the title should be why do people love surefires so much i've been wondering this fora long time but just decided to post. this might be a long one if i don't get disconected, so go to the bathroom now.
i think maglights are one of the most usefull flashights evermade. yeah, theyre not the brighteset, most durable, longest lasting, etc. etc. but they seem to have the most useful. where else can you get a ligth for under 20 dollars that can do so muhc? everybody says surefire is the best light, most durable, and not to mention the most expensive, but they seem too specialized to be much use. yeah, it's much brighter than a minimag, smaller than a 3d mag, but other than that they dont seem to be a very good value. from whta i've read, most people like to brag about how durable they are, and how good the quality is, then also say how good the customer service is. I don't get it, if it's so great and durable, why do you need to talk to customer service so much? seems like the most breakable part of the flashight is the bulb, and not counting the really expenisve surefires with the shock protectoin, they are probaby as reliable as a maglight. i see a lot of complaints about blown bulbs, badd batteries and such, but you never hear of peopel complaining about maglights bulbs breaking. they probably break, but they're so cheap that you can find htem anywher for less than a buck. a surefire bulb cost almost $13, more than the price of a new mini mag wtih batteries. dont get me wrong, i like surefires, i own one e2, i just don't use it a lot because the batteries are too expensive, the bulbs are too expensive and i don't wnat to break one, and i don't wantto lose a $70 flashligt. anywya, i'm sure a lot of surefire fans are gonna comment on this, they almost seem to take all these remarks personal. but no one ever defends maglights, so i thought i would. besides, it's not fair to compare surefire and maglights, they're made for two different purposes, i just brought it up because everyone brags how much brighter surefire is than a mag, and how much smaller, but dont' really mention how much more expensive it is to run, how expensive it is to buy, how how short the run time is. back to the main subject. maybe people like to talk crap about the maglihts because they're so common that everyone knows whta it is, but they're so common because they are so useful. there are brighter flashights, smaller flashlights, longer running flashlights, more durable, more expensive, cheaper ones, etc. but mag lights seem to have a good compromise of all qualities. they have enough light to see by, last long enough for most uses, and are probably one of the most durablelights ever made. I have an arc too, so i know an arc is more durable because its an LEd, but how often do people abuse any of their lights as much as a maglight? i'm sure people who own arcs and surefires don't use their lights as clubs and hammers, ubt i dont' htink twice about using a mag light to hit something, i don't worry about scratching the finish, i don't really care aobut blowing up the bulb because theres a spare one. so when those people talk about how strong and durable their 100+ dollar light is, i wonder if they really abuse it like they would a maglight. all they really care about is scratching the lens or the anodise, and i think thye must carry them in a felt lined case. so maybe those lights don't break as much beause they aren't used as hard, nobody want to destroy a 100 dollar flashlgiht. i wouldn't either, so i don't blame them, but it's kindof funny that they like to criticize maglights for all their faults, but treat theri own lights like gold and brag about how unbreakable it is. i'm sure there are some people that really use the surefire lights like they are suppose to be used, in a tactical situation, but i don't see that many police using them. I see them carrying streamlights, maglights, and I think i saw an asp, but i don't remember ever seeing a surefire. i think everyone came to the conclusion that surefires are the best tactical lights, but nobody ever told the police this. i know there are probably some police or sheriffs or some other type of LEO on this board, but they don't have the die hard surefire attitude like some of these people do. from reading some of the posts, you would think that god himself invented surefires. people bragged about how bright it was, but when the legend LX came out at 1/4 the price and was brighter, those people criticize about how short the run time on it was. and the smae people say how much better the quality was on the surefire e2, and how it was worth 4 times the price, but the same peopel complained when surefire raised their prices.
like i said, i own a surefire and they make really, really good lights, but how often do you really need a light like that. and im' not talking about how nice it is to have, i'm wondering is there really a situation where only a surefire light will work, instead of a streamlight, legend LX, or even maglight. it's defintely more convienent to hvae a small bright light, but if you're going somewhere where you need a bright light, you could probably don't need one in your pocket all the time, and if it's for emergencies only, why do you really need a really, really bright light in an emergency? wouldn't a small photon usually work? i read some of the stories on the surefire board, some were intersting, but some of them were like, any flashlight would've worked here, didn't realy ahve to be a surefire. like the guy who took it camping, it was like, whoa, congratulations, you were able to shine it in your friends face and take away his flashlight, and that's only possible with a surefire? it also seems like surefires were designed to be tactical lights, but their new products are more for regular people and not police or swat. the new e2 elite, the new led flashlight with the three leds i forgot what it's called. so even if they were originaly designed for LEO's they are starting to market torwards regular customers who want an expensive flashlgiht.
i said in another thread that the only ohter light that could match the minimag in usefullness is the arc-ls with the 2aa battery pack. but for $160, i doubt it wil get the same use as the mini-mag, and it would take 10 lifetimes worth of blown bulbs to make up that difference in price. maybe i've had really good luck, i think i've only gon through maybe 2 lightbulbs in my maglight, and i've never had one fail completely on me. maybe the arc LED won't blow up, but they haven't been out long enough to really tell how long they'll hold up. they are a lot more complicated, so many more things to go wrong, and it probably can't be fixed if it does stop working. at least a minimag is so simple that anyone could take it apart and fix it. the only real competition with a minimag is the brinkman 2AA light, but i've had those too and they aren't nearly as good as the minimag quality and they're more expensive too. maybe i shouldnt' say mags are the most useful, but the best value of any flashlight. i told you this would be a long post.
i think maglights are one of the most usefull flashights evermade. yeah, theyre not the brighteset, most durable, longest lasting, etc. etc. but they seem to have the most useful. where else can you get a ligth for under 20 dollars that can do so muhc? everybody says surefire is the best light, most durable, and not to mention the most expensive, but they seem too specialized to be much use. yeah, it's much brighter than a minimag, smaller than a 3d mag, but other than that they dont seem to be a very good value. from whta i've read, most people like to brag about how durable they are, and how good the quality is, then also say how good the customer service is. I don't get it, if it's so great and durable, why do you need to talk to customer service so much? seems like the most breakable part of the flashight is the bulb, and not counting the really expenisve surefires with the shock protectoin, they are probaby as reliable as a maglight. i see a lot of complaints about blown bulbs, badd batteries and such, but you never hear of peopel complaining about maglights bulbs breaking. they probably break, but they're so cheap that you can find htem anywher for less than a buck. a surefire bulb cost almost $13, more than the price of a new mini mag wtih batteries. dont get me wrong, i like surefires, i own one e2, i just don't use it a lot because the batteries are too expensive, the bulbs are too expensive and i don't wnat to break one, and i don't wantto lose a $70 flashligt. anywya, i'm sure a lot of surefire fans are gonna comment on this, they almost seem to take all these remarks personal. but no one ever defends maglights, so i thought i would. besides, it's not fair to compare surefire and maglights, they're made for two different purposes, i just brought it up because everyone brags how much brighter surefire is than a mag, and how much smaller, but dont' really mention how much more expensive it is to run, how expensive it is to buy, how how short the run time is. back to the main subject. maybe people like to talk crap about the maglihts because they're so common that everyone knows whta it is, but they're so common because they are so useful. there are brighter flashights, smaller flashlights, longer running flashlights, more durable, more expensive, cheaper ones, etc. but mag lights seem to have a good compromise of all qualities. they have enough light to see by, last long enough for most uses, and are probably one of the most durablelights ever made. I have an arc too, so i know an arc is more durable because its an LEd, but how often do people abuse any of their lights as much as a maglight? i'm sure people who own arcs and surefires don't use their lights as clubs and hammers, ubt i dont' htink twice about using a mag light to hit something, i don't worry about scratching the finish, i don't really care aobut blowing up the bulb because theres a spare one. so when those people talk about how strong and durable their 100+ dollar light is, i wonder if they really abuse it like they would a maglight. all they really care about is scratching the lens or the anodise, and i think thye must carry them in a felt lined case. so maybe those lights don't break as much beause they aren't used as hard, nobody want to destroy a 100 dollar flashlgiht. i wouldn't either, so i don't blame them, but it's kindof funny that they like to criticize maglights for all their faults, but treat theri own lights like gold and brag about how unbreakable it is. i'm sure there are some people that really use the surefire lights like they are suppose to be used, in a tactical situation, but i don't see that many police using them. I see them carrying streamlights, maglights, and I think i saw an asp, but i don't remember ever seeing a surefire. i think everyone came to the conclusion that surefires are the best tactical lights, but nobody ever told the police this. i know there are probably some police or sheriffs or some other type of LEO on this board, but they don't have the die hard surefire attitude like some of these people do. from reading some of the posts, you would think that god himself invented surefires. people bragged about how bright it was, but when the legend LX came out at 1/4 the price and was brighter, those people criticize about how short the run time on it was. and the smae people say how much better the quality was on the surefire e2, and how it was worth 4 times the price, but the same peopel complained when surefire raised their prices.
like i said, i own a surefire and they make really, really good lights, but how often do you really need a light like that. and im' not talking about how nice it is to have, i'm wondering is there really a situation where only a surefire light will work, instead of a streamlight, legend LX, or even maglight. it's defintely more convienent to hvae a small bright light, but if you're going somewhere where you need a bright light, you could probably don't need one in your pocket all the time, and if it's for emergencies only, why do you really need a really, really bright light in an emergency? wouldn't a small photon usually work? i read some of the stories on the surefire board, some were intersting, but some of them were like, any flashlight would've worked here, didn't realy ahve to be a surefire. like the guy who took it camping, it was like, whoa, congratulations, you were able to shine it in your friends face and take away his flashlight, and that's only possible with a surefire? it also seems like surefires were designed to be tactical lights, but their new products are more for regular people and not police or swat. the new e2 elite, the new led flashlight with the three leds i forgot what it's called. so even if they were originaly designed for LEO's they are starting to market torwards regular customers who want an expensive flashlgiht.
i said in another thread that the only ohter light that could match the minimag in usefullness is the arc-ls with the 2aa battery pack. but for $160, i doubt it wil get the same use as the mini-mag, and it would take 10 lifetimes worth of blown bulbs to make up that difference in price. maybe i've had really good luck, i think i've only gon through maybe 2 lightbulbs in my maglight, and i've never had one fail completely on me. maybe the arc LED won't blow up, but they haven't been out long enough to really tell how long they'll hold up. they are a lot more complicated, so many more things to go wrong, and it probably can't be fixed if it does stop working. at least a minimag is so simple that anyone could take it apart and fix it. the only real competition with a minimag is the brinkman 2AA light, but i've had those too and they aren't nearly as good as the minimag quality and they're more expensive too. maybe i shouldnt' say mags are the most useful, but the best value of any flashlight. i told you this would be a long post.
