Why no good quality wind up lights? What would like to see on that front?

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I'm wondering why there hasn't been an interest in high quality wind up lights. Imagine if Surefire put their engineering skills into that concept. What kind of features would you want to see in a quality rendition of a wind up light? I certainly would want at least 2 levels of brightness, maybe even an ultra-low setting like 1 lumen. I would definetly would want the cell phone charger outlet. Would you want the radio like some of them have?
 
Probably because your typical flashlight consumer does not want to spend more than $5 for a flashlight, so they have to cut corners.
 
I'd have some interest in a good one, too. It definitely needs a long running low level. Small as possible, too. If it could charge up a AAA or AA NiMH I'd be happier than having the typical non-replaceable button cells, but that might be tough for a little crank to manage. Since I'm about as nutty about radios as flashlights I'd take a good efficient AM/FM with a "nightlight" that illuminates the tuning dial.

Geoff
 
Thanks for the excuse to plug my own DIY crank light again :nana:
(Check out the youtube videos!)

There has been no interest because people are not poor enough. There is no serious need in this society.
It is easy to just go buy batteries. The idea of a wind up device makes sense in 3rd world countries where you don't just "buy some batteries".

The idea of being able to go without batteries and simply crank a generator handle and trade elbow grease for power is awesome.
 
Imagine if Surefire put their engineering skills into that concept.



Well, they'd announce it at ShotShow2009 . . . .



And then, perhaps, they'd Ship It a few years later.


:whistle:




First in Titanium . . . .



Then, a year afterwards, in Aluminum.

:p




Oh yeah . . . .


They might produce ONE unit in Purple, just for Al / Size15s.

:tinfoil:
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FreePlay is about as high quality as you are going to get for a crank light. They use high quality gear systems that are efficiency and quiet, and use NiMH cells instead of LIR2032 cells.
 
What kind of features would you want to see in a quality rendition of a wind up light?
I've modded a cheapo wind-up light to get it as close as I could to my ideal; it's not quite there, but building the ideal one would entail spending big bucks for a custom body, custom electronics and all, so I'm leaving that project for a distant future.

I got one of these, then made the following mods:
1) swapped the generic LEDs with Jeled 55cd (would have used Nichia GS, but I don't have enough to justify using up three in a cheap emergency light). This yielded an impressive boost in brightness (and a corresponding drop in beam quality, but I don't much care about that)
2) added a JST connector to the little 3xNiMH pack inside, so that I can charge it from outside using my bench power supply, and only use the crank if I actually need it; this allows me to use the cranking mechanism a lot less (actually I haven't had to use it at all after the mod... yet), which in turn ensures that the plastic gears in it will last much longer.
3) swapped the original resistors with less restrictive ones; it used to drive the three LEDs at about 15 mA each, but now gives them 35 (IIRC) from a fully charged battery. This has given the light another increase in brightness.
4) swapped the switch with a three-stage one, and changed the connections so that the other stage routes the circuit through much more restrictive resistors, that feed about 20mA to all three LEDs (6.7 mA per LED).

I'm pondering swapping out the tiny NiMH battery with a LSD AAA pack; there should be enough space to shoehorn the AAAs inside the light's body. That would give it much better runtime, and the bigger cells would be less bothered by the rough charging they get from the DC motor.

So this is my crank light. I don't think you can make a better one without spending a lot of money on quality components.


As for my ideal crank light, I'd want it with:
1) a waterproof, floating body made of metal or damage-resistant plastics, with some sort of magnetically coupled crank
1a) reed switches for operation
2) a brushless generator
3) a solar panel
4) internal circuitry to control charge level and maximize the life of the battery
5) A123 LiFePO4 cell for power; as far as I know, it's the most durable chemistry that you can actually buy
6) underdriven Cree R2 for improved efficiency
7) multimode driver, with power controlled by one switch and modes by another; neither switch should be easy to move by mistake
8) being an emergency light, I'd like to have strobe and SOS modes on it, but they'd have to not get in the way of normal operation. Also, SOS should be made to work properly; real SOS morse code is much faster than what we're used to see in multimode lights.
9) external charging contacts in the form of magnetic pads (think Photon Rex); they could also be used as power sources for small gadgets, though there should be some form of short-circuit protection in that case
10) A low-power green laser diode, as the beam's high visibility at night would be useful for signaling your position

Such a light would be lasting. You could charge it quickly with an external power supply, the solar cell would keep it charged indefinitely as long as there was light (or it could charge it slowly if an external power supply wasn't available), and if neither external power nor light were available you could just crank it. It'd have no openings for water to leak into, the A123 cell would last many years and would give it great runtime and the interface would be easy to master.

I'm pretty sure it'd end up costing several hundred bucks though...
 
Just found one that may be the best out there now.

http://www.techass.com/el/genx1/

Geoff

P.S. Looks like it might be real hard to find.

I had a light that looked exactly like that one... minus the cell phone charge feature:crackup:. It was an OK light electrically, but mechanically the gear drive mechanics STANK!! soft plastic gears that softened and slipped after ~15 seconds of turning. Eventually I ripped out the gears and hard soldered some alkaline AAAs, threw it away once they died.

OP... I'd like to see metal gears inside these things.
 
Say you're stranded somewhere. What do you think is going to be more visible by night - a directional flashlight that shines from where you are, or a laser beam shining in the sky?
 
I had a light that looked exactly like that one... minus the cell phone charge feature:crackup:. It was an OK light electrically, but mechanically the gear drive mechanics STANK!! soft plastic gears that softened and slipped after ~15 seconds of turning. Eventually I ripped out the gears and hard soldered some alkaline AAAs, threw it away once they died.

OP... I'd like to see metal gears inside these things.

Yea, I've seen plenty that looked like that one. I figured since the Eternalight folks had tweaked it and put in the Derringer electronics it would be a step above the rest. I can't recall it ever being mentioned here.

Geoff
 
Say you're stranded somewhere. What do you think is going to be more visible by night - a directional flashlight that shines from where you are, or a laser beam shining in the sky?

Maybe I should have been a bit more specific. Green laser diodes don't exist commercially. Your green pointer actually runs off an infrared diode.
 
given all the points mentionned (mechanical quality, price, materials, watertighness, ...) can be build ...

1: is there a cell that offers more than a few years of guaranteed work?
2: Who of us want to turn the lever for 1 (2,3,...) hours to get enough charge for "enough" brightness?

I like that freeplay idea of a spring that get tension with a few turns and then drives a low output generator.
Seems good for an emergency gadget
(would that survive an EMP?)
 
The most abuse- and time-resistant chemistry is, as far as I know, nickel iron or NiFe. It is very old (just two years younger than NiCD), but has awesome cell life: from 30 to 50 years if treated well, and not much less even if abused.
I remember reading an article somewhere of someone who'd found a decades-old NiFe battery in decrepit status abandoned somewhere, and it still worked.

The only problem is that NiFe has very low energy density (lower than lead-acid), which results in very heavy bricks for very little power. I'm not even sure if you could use one in a flashlight (even if you were ok with a runtime of five minutes), because I think they use a liquid electrolyte.

Back to stuff we can use in flashlights, I think the most durable chemistry we now have is LiFePO4, or perhaps NiCD if carefully cared for (which wouldn't happen in a crank light).

The only alternative is to use a supercapacitor, but that brings up another set of problems.
 
The most abuse- and time-resistant chemistry is, as far as I know, nickel iron or NiFe. It is very old (just two years younger than NiCD), but has awesome cell life: from 30 to 50 years if treated well, and not much less even if abused.
I remember reading an article somewhere of someone who'd found a decades-old NiFe battery in decrepit status abandoned somewhere, and it still worked.

The only problem is that NiFe has very low energy density (lower than lead-acid), which results in very heavy bricks for very little power. I'm not even sure if you could use one in a flashlight (even if you were ok with a runtime of five minutes), because I think they use a liquid electrolyte.

Back to stuff we can use in flashlights, I think the most durable chemistry we now have is LiFePO4, or perhaps NiCD if carefully cared for (which wouldn't happen in a crank light).

The only alternative is to use a supercapacitor, but that brings up another set of problems.


Hence the insight to do away with a battery or capacitor completely. Want light? Do the work and create it with some effort. What a concept. I know full well that this amazing off the wall idea called work is so unpopular today :ironic: "OMG!!11!!!1!! werk?! kind like teh whatever like thi s sucks kind a like teh meh heh huh um duh ugh...I cant EDC it either...lol"
 
Hence the insight to do away with a battery or capacitor completely. Want light? Do the work and create it with some effort. What a concept. I know full well that this amazing off the wall idea called work is so unpopular today :ironic: "OMG!!11!!!1!! werk?! kind like teh whatever like thi s sucks kind a like teh meh heh huh um duh ugh...I cant EDC it either...lol"
Eh. I'm lazy. So sue me. :p
 
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