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I solar charge manually is much as I can.
On a good day of positioning & angling my panels* (approx 1.2kW rigid frame panels) for max efficiency, I can gather & use about 3.5kW in a day. It takes some creativity, but I do it as a hobby & chore.

*Trees are a big factor for me.

My neighbor has a Tesla & drives it regularly, but he doesn't have solar panels.
Although I'd only get a PHEV, who gets the bigger green star, me or my neighbor?

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(early this summer I invested in two 200Ah LiFePO4 batteries wired in series,, they are a game changers)
You can charge them at very high Amps.
will deduct them this year
 
im hopeing cells improve and drop in price id like to see a panel with 35 percent efficiency
 
Orbital, your star is most certainly greener than the Tesla humanoid but asking you to state the voltage of your storage. My ebike battery is only 20Ah, but it is nominal 72V (up to 85V charging). Like water harvesting, larger capacity is such a game changer!
 
working a a ev would be way way way way way easier . as i said before i worked on many many cars used to be what i did for money for a while ...i wasnt a pro but i could fix most things and a ev is easier i for sure rather replace a ev motor over a ice
 
raggie33 said:
im hopeing cells improve and drop in price id like to see a panel with 35 percent efficiency
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Another option for that is to put solar panels on the car:

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5 Best Solar Powered Electric Cars, Top EVs With Solar Panels - E-Vehicle Info

So, here is the list of the top 5 solar-powered electric cars in the world:
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The car will always be getting a small amount of charging whenever the sun is up. For now solar cell efficiency is in the low 20s but we'll likely double that by the end of the decade. A car which is used mostly for short errands might never even need to be plugged in.

I love the looks of the Lightyear One.
 
im thinking of maybe the can make a muilti layer panel sadly a car would probaly need damn near 5000 watts to run
 
Kinda, but the combustion engine propels the hybrid at times. Like a friend who bought a Lexus hybrid expecting 32mpg.... 32mpg is ok, I suppose considering it's a big, heavy box. What I mean is a small engine like perhaps a portable generator size like one of those campground quiet Yamaha or Honda generators that can handle the same load as plugging in the car at night or at a charge station. What's another 50 pounds added to the weight of the car? At least until electrics can self charge.
 
KITROBASKIN said:
Those of us who promote ebikes and other electrical vehicles are also offending people who are emotionally/financially invested in the petrol pipeline or simply find comfort in 'same old-same old'. That is their choice.
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I’m all for you having whatever kind of vehicle you want.

You want an EV, I’m all for it.

What you, and so many others here miss is that one political party, and the Government, are doing their best to take away my, and millions of other Americans, choice in what kind of vehicle we want.

In other words, in 10-15 years one political party, and the Government, is doing their best to make all ICE vehicles obsolete, and unable to be gotten or driven.

So there really is no truth in what you stated.
 
RWT1405 said:
I’m all for you having whatever kind of vehicle you want.

You want an EV, I’m all for it.

What you, and so many others here miss is that one political party, and the Government, are doing their best to take away my, and millions of other Americans, choice in what kind of vehicle we want.

In other words, in 10-15 years one political party, and the Government, is doing their best to make all ICE vehicles obsolete, and unable to be gotten or driven.

So there really is no truth in what you stated.
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You keep forgetting for decades not only did people have zero choice of type of vehicle (i.e. either ICE or nothing), but thanks to the built environment they often didn't even have a choice as to whether or not to own a vehicle. If someone wanted an EV twenty years ago what were their choices? Even when their range was under 100 miles, EVs would have been a perfect fit for lots of people who rarely or never went on longer trips. But they weren't made for a whole bunch of reasons, even though the demand was there, and the technology was "good enough" for many use patterns.

If you don't want the expense and hassle of owning a car, or at least a motorcycle, what are your choices even now in most of the country? You may not understand how I could live without a car or driver's license, but I'm glad to live in a place where that's even a viable option. In most of the country it isn't. Why? Choices made by the same government you're complaining about all the time. Zoning laws, decisions to defund public transit, failure to build sidewalks or bike paths, etc. Why isn't the choice to not own a car given equal weight by government in its policy decisions?

As for EVs, technology advances. As others have said, it's just a superior ownership experience. Maintenance is minimal. If you have solar panels, you don't even have to pay to refuel. The big problem now is they still cost more than equivalent ICE vehicles. So I get it that some people won't buy one for that reason. That disparity will disappear soon as production numbers increase, along with lower battery prices. The automakers themselves are the ones making the decisions to discontinue their ICE vehicles, not the government. This isn't some grand conspiracy of one political party in the US. The same trend is occurring worldwide. If anything, the US is behind the curve. In Norway 90% of the new vehicles sold this year were electric.

Besides all of the above, as EVs gain market share, how many gas stations do you think will remain open? Gas stations are already a marginal business. A bunch of them closed in my area over the last 10 years. That's without EVs. Or do you expect government to subsidize gas stations so the remaining ICE holdouts have a place to refuel?

Finally, it's worth a mention that choice is great, at least up until the point where your choices negatively affect others. The fact is ICEs pollute. The new ones pollute a lot less, but they're far from benign. Put a lot of them in a population center, you have a lot of negative effects from their collective exhaust. This is one of the reasons behind getting rid of ICEs, along with reducing fossil fuel dependency. There are loads of reasons beyond just pollution for the latter. Some have been discussed here.
 
KITROBASKIN said:
Orbital, your star is most certainly greener than the Tesla humanoid but asking you to state the voltage of your storage. My ebike battery is only 20Ah, but it is nominal 72V (up to 85V charging). Like water harvesting, larger capacity is such a game changer!
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24V LiFePO4 is like 28V fully charged (2x 12V) = 200Ah at 24V
I mainly use Pecron E1000* units to do the majority of charging off the panels because of my manual setup.
Then I can use those to charge my LiFePO4 at like 650W

yes, it's higher maintenance and more expensive, but I can't do panels on my roof.

*those charge @37V
 
im saying in a ot way i predict a ev doing 0 to 60 in 1.5 seconds in a few years . i also think they can go as as human can handle the g force
 
jtr1962 said:
You keep forgetting for decades not only did people have zero choice of type of vehicle (i.e. either ICE or nothing), but thanks to the built environment they often didn't even have a choice as to whether or not to own a vehicle. If someone wanted an EV twenty years ago what were their choices? Even when their range was under 100 miles, EVs would have been a perfect fit for lots of people who rarely or never went on longer trips. But they weren't made for a whole bunch of reasons, even though the demand was there, and the technology was "good enough" for many use patterns.

If you don't want the expense and hassle of owning a car, or at least a motorcycle, what are your choices even now in most of the country? You may not understand how I could live without a car or driver's license, but I'm glad to live in a place where that's even a viable option. In most of the country it isn't. Why? Choices made by the same government you're complaining about all the time. Zoning laws, decisions to defund public transit, failure to build sidewalks or bike paths, etc. Why isn't the choice to not own a car given equal weight by government in its policy decisions?

As for EVs, technology advances. As others have said, it's just a superior ownership experience. Maintenance is minimal. If you have solar panels, you don't even have to pay to refuel. The big problem now is they still cost more than equivalent ICE vehicles. So I get it that some people won't buy one for that reason. That disparity will disappear soon as production numbers increase, along with lower battery prices. The automakers themselves are the ones making the decisions to discontinue their ICE vehicles, not the government. This isn't some grand conspiracy of one political party in the US. The same trend is occurring worldwide. If anything, the US is behind the curve. In Norway 90% of the new vehicles sold this year were electric.

Besides all of the above, as EVs gain market share, how many gas stations do you think will remain open? Gas stations are already a marginal business. A bunch of them closed in my area over the last 10 years. That's without EVs. Or do you expect government to subsidize gas stations so the remaining ICE holdouts have a place to refuel?

Finally, it's worth a mention that choice is great, at least up until the point where your choices negatively affect others. The fact is ICEs pollute. The new ones pollute a lot less, but they're far from benign. Put a lot of them in a population center, you have a lot of negative effects from their collective exhaust. This is one of the reasons behind getting rid of ICEs, along with reducing fossil fuel dependency. There are loads of reasons beyond just pollution for the latter. Some have been discussed here.
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Interesting lecture from someone that doesn’t own vehicles or even hold a Drivers License.

Thanks
 
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