X21 LED Lenser? Dont Bother - scam.

[shiboleth]

Heres why you should save your money and not buy a LED Lenser.

http://image.ec21.com/image/poplite/OF0008821559_2/Sell_LED_Flashlight.jpg



Look familiar? Well this isn't Lensers X21, infact its their Poplite 1002

These are Chinese lights, manufactured in China, contrary to the Zweibruder spiel claiming their German pedigree.


Heres the Lenser P7 http://www.pop-lite.com/En/ProductView.asp?ID=392
http://www.pop-lite.com/Upload/PicFiles/2010.6.29_20.20.49_9540.jpg

The Police tec-focus http://www.pop-lite.com/En/ProductView.asp?ID=372
http://www.pop-lite.com/Upload/PicFiles/2010.6.18_18.40.48_2675.jpg

And the yet to be released M7 http://www.pop-lite.com/En/ProductView.asp?ID=415
http://www.pop-lite.com/Upload/PicFiles/2010.7.2_19.36.29_2342.jpg

More fishy still, both of these different companies (Lenser and YD-GI) are registred to the same address; Kronenstrasse 19, 42697-9 Solingen, Germany.

Led Lenser appears related to Yang dong Gift industries. Well i guess the point is; save $$$$ and get your X21 from poplite, or DX (In october). It seems that Lenser is either a reseller or German packaging company with a penchant for Flashlights.

Well theres My 50c.


ps. the m7 looks different on release

 

[shiboleth]

BTW - they are still well made lights, but really overpriced!

 

[Zatoichi]

So you are saying LED Lenser are a Chinese company selling the same flashlights as Dealextreme? Sorry for being a bit slow, but is that what you're saying?

 

[shiboleth]

Lenser appear to be German importer of Chinese lights, which you can buy on DX or alibaba. they even import the Test it blister packs - the ones with the little mirror.

Based on the DX prices, a Lenser torch is a rebranded poplite marked up over 150%

 

[mcnair55]

I really would be very careful with what you are saying about Led Lenser without 100% knowing,these large companies have spent years and lots of $ building there brands and market share.

Many large companies own Chinese companies and vice versa.

You do not want yourself or this forum on a legal dispute spewing out facts that you are just guessing unless you are 100% sure of your facts.

 

[Zatoichi]

LED Lenser flashlights come from a quite famous cutlery company in Portland called Coast. The flashlights on DX are far more likely to be rip-offs of their designs than the other way around. Please look into it further and tell me what you find.

 

[Zatoichi]

Based on the DX prices, a Lenser torch is a rebranded poplite marked up over 150%

It's strange then, that Coast seem to have all the patents on these flashlights...

 

[shiboleth]

Coast, Ledco, Lenser, poplight, I could request Shiboleth, or CPF from Yangdong Gift company, who sell their lights by the kilo.

 

[MarNav1]

They don't have much of a rep on CPF except for an oddball model here or there so no worries. I wouldn't buy one no matter who sells them but that's me.

 

[shiboleth]

Hi, about the patent, they arent patent. They are patent pending, like my design for a high power (*insert idiotic unpatentable design*)...also not patent.

 

[Zatoichi]

I wouldn't buy one no matter who sells them but that's me.

And me, but as much as I dislike their flashlights, I'm struggling with this whole idea of the same lights being on DX, rather than cheap copies of Coast flashlights. I hope I'm not going to find out next that I might as well have bought my Surefire's on DX too.

Btw, I think Ledco are Coast's UK distributor for Lenser's.

ALL their 21 flashlight patents are pending? Interesting.

 

[vasp1]

That M7 looks identical to an Ultrafire WF-502B, right down to the 2 screws that hold the clip.

Not the best photo, but you get the idea.

 

[Yavox]

There is even something very similar to a Seraph on Poplite's web page. Those guys must be some chinese flashlight cloners.

Edit: and just found this on their web page:

With honesty, quality of survival, management for efficiency, innovation and development "is our business philosophy, the implementation of total quality management and external services, establish systems of quality management system. Done in the same industry, similar products of "the best quality, cheapest price," The company's business objectives: product characteristics and technology, the price popularity, and quality service-oriented; fitness market needs, cis-customer demand; heavy reputation, image building, commitment is golden principle. A high starting point, high standard, high-quality product development strategy.

Blah, blah, blah....the best quality, cheapest price. I think I got the point...

 

[shiboleth]

Interesting thought Zatoichi. Don't know about the US but in the UK most of our manufacturing is based in the far east (or far west in the USA). surefire may well be like LENSER, just an unscrupulous importer.

 

[Bullzeyebill]

I really would be very careful with what you are saying about Led Lenser without 100% knowing,these large companies have spent years and lots of $ building there brands and market share.

Many large companies own Chinese companies and vice versa.

You do not want yourself or this forum on a legal dispute spewing out facts that you are just guessing unless you are 100% sure of your facts.

+1 here. If you have ever been to a Led Lenser booth at SHOT you would be thinking German, German, German. They may have their lights made in China but so what. Let us see if we can have some restraint here as this thread works forward. Let's not do the cheap shots, cause we don't like Len Lenser lights for what ever reason.

Bill

 

[mcnair55]

Have a look at this

http://www.zweibrueder.com/ENG/unternehmen/zweibruederimagefilm.php?id=imagefilm

And pic of there Chinese factory.

http://www.zweibrueder.com/ENG/unternehmen/firmenphilosophie.php?id=philo

 

[Zatoichi]

Thing is, a lot of companies have their products manufactured in China (and Taiwan etc) to certain standards. Then they get copied (possibly even in the same factories) minus the quality control and likely with inferior materials. This happens with a lot of things.

It doesn't mean the flashlight you get on DX is the same as the branded one you get from an official distributor. Look at the knives on DX, there are some very convincing looking BenchMade and Gerber etc, even with the logos on, selling for several dollars. They may even be made in the same factories in some cases, but they are not the same. Happens with wristwatches too. Compare one from DX with one from an official distributor to see the difference.

 

[shiboleth]

Ha! one patent for the P7 - Patent D563007

Claims

What is claimed is:

The ornamental design for a flashlight, as shown and described.


well, that would explain the slight variations in design i guess.





My mistake they have a (angular ratio) patent for a collimator lens also; there i think thats my defamation bail card,

 

[Zatoichi]

surefire may well be like LENSER, just an unscrupulous importer.

Haha, don't even joke about it. :laughing:

 

[John_Galt]

surefire may well be like LENSER, just an unscrupulous importer.

Not really something to joke about. Surefire manufactures here in the USA. Some of their bulbs are made in Mexico. Obviously most LED's are internationally sourced, as are probably a good deal of electronic components, but they are made in the USA. Stating such an inflammatory remark is a good way to start a sh*t slinging fest, and get the thread locked.