You get what you pay for...or DO you?

[jefierro]

QUIT BITCHING ABOUT/POSTING THREADS/COMPARING THE HIGH PRICES OF USA MADE PRODUCTS!!!

AF I salute you, you are a prime example of what a proud American should be.

You sir, Armed_Forces have no clue what you're talking about.

Shame on you, you are the head of a company and certainly not acting like one, you take to seriously the opinions of outside people that by all means they are entitled to have by right. Chill Out. If you haven't reed the Art of War, it's a nice read and applies to every aspect of life, especially in business.

Jorge

 

[csshih]

Shame on you, you are the head of a company and certainly not acting like one, you take to seriously the opinions of outside people that by all means they are entitled to have by right. Chill Out. If you haven't reed the Art of War, it's a nice read and applies to every aspect of life, especially in business.

Doesn't the head of a company have the right to defend the integrity and honor of his company when it's directly attacked?

 

[DimeRazorback]

Doesn't the head of a company have the right to defend the integrity and honor of his company when it's directly attacked?

Definitely, although they normally keep a low profile to limit bad publicity/feelings.

Imagine PK commenting on all the anit-SF comments that are posted...

 

[angelofwar]

Definitely, although they normally keep a low profile to limit bad publicity/feelings.

Imagine PK commenting on all the anit-SF comments that are posted...

Well said, DRB...in those circumstances, they're usually better-off taking the moral high-ground in these situations...

To keep the thread on topic, and before a full scale nuclear war breaks out, I just got my M962, and I definitely got what I paid for (although it was a trade). This thing is sweet! The ano is flawless, all the pieces fit together so snug, with NO play (none of my SF's have ever had any play in them come to think of it)...if I didn't know any better, I say it was one solid piece. No blemishes...nothing...although I do miss the chemical coating they used to put on them to prevent corossion, that gave the inside that gold color.

 

[csshih]

Definitely, although they normally keep a low profile to limit bad publicity/feelings.

Imagine PK commenting on all the anit-SF comments that are posted...

but ahhh, surefire has a much larger following to defend him.. you could still consider 47s a small/medium sized manufacturer.

 

[Greg G]

Definitely, although they normally keep a low profile to limit bad publicity/feelings.

Imagine PK commenting on all the anit-SF comments that are posted...

The man has every right to confront a direct attack. Anyone that takes pride in his work would.

You defend a company you don't even own. Weird huh?

 

[Greg G]

To keep the thread on topic, and before a full scale nuclear war breaks out, I just got my M962, and I definitely got what I paid for (although it was a trade). This thing is sweet! The ano is flawless, all the pieces fit together so snug, with NO play (none of my SF's have ever had any play in them come to think of it)...if I didn't know any better, I say it was one solid piece. No blemishes...nothing...although I do miss the chemical coating they used to put on them to prevent corossion, that gave the inside that gold color.

Just curious, will you be installing a Malkoff in this light too?

 

[Let It Bleed]

. . . the introduction of the new-fangled ballpoint pen by Lazlo Biro.

Thanks march.brown, now I know why they refer to it as a Biro on The Office. I wish the original British version had lasted longer, but I love the American version also.

 

[angelofwar]

Just curious, will you be installing a Malkoff in this light too?

Yeah, it's call the M90WF (Won't Fit), because malkoff doesn't make drop-ins for this style of light...

I think I'll keep this one stock...it's good enough for the 7k plus soldiers that I worked with over in the sand-box..I guess "I" can trust it too...and the ones that didn't get these issued, bought them with there own money.


You won't see anything like this from other companies for awhile, BTW, as SF has patents on some of the "most" that make up this design...(that's right...they pioneered THIS as well)

Yeah...these are fine..."Stock"...along with my other 25 SF's.

:touche:

 

[Greg G]

I guess I'm going to have to go to Iraq to learn how flashlights really work.

 

[Greg G]

Yeah, it's call the M90WF (Won't Fit),
Yeah...these are fine..."Stock"...along with my other 25 SF's.

:touche:

Your sigline says a different story.

Just sayin'.

 

[Greg G]

Just googled an M962. Looks like a 3 cell incan light with a throw lever mount that sells for $460? 😱


I don't see anything new about that. Maybe the patent is for the advertising employed to persuade people to click on Add to Cart?

 

[csshih]

although I do miss the chemical coating they used to put on them to prevent corossion, that gave the inside that gold color.

that's cause they switched from chemkote to chemfilm. the corrosion resistance is still there 🙂
though, personally, I like the gold color 😉

 

[Rocketman]

You sir, Armed_Forces have no clue what you're talking about...

It's ok, Mr. 4sevens. I'm going to buy one of your flashlights, I'm sure I'll like it a lot. And I also going to buy another Surefire when I save up enough money. LOL. I think I'm liking this forum.

 

[angelofwar]

that's cause they switched from chemkote to chemfilm. the corrosion resistance is still there 🙂
though, personally, I like the gold color 😉

Thanks csshih! Nice to know, even when enviromental policies change, they still try their best to maintain their standards...but, yes, the gold tint was nice! And the corossion resistance is nice for the long term life of the light as a whole...one of the small details we pay for...😉

 

[Rocketman]

Armed_Forces, you have my vote. You other guys with the remarks about the cold war etc, at such times you are actually using leftist style cold-war tactics to stifle your opponent! :huh: ...which suddenly makes me seriously wonder about 4Sevens, I mean the company- although I submit they do make pretty good flashlights that are worth what they charge for them- just like Surefire does on both counts, only their lights are disproportionately better. The root difference, the socially important one, is that at the manufactoring end the paid value does not return to the workers of one of the companies, and I don't mean the ones in the Capitalist country.

Anyway Lads let's not have the flashlight cold war go nuclear. Coffee and flashlights at dawn, that's the answer!

But look. Companies like 4Sevens could, if they worked on it, use US manufactured parts. They could perhaps get Maglite to manufacture some parts. Rather than thinking that we can't compete, I think we should build up again and make things. We must compete in a global market, however. That isn't going away.

 

[DimeRazorback]

but ahhh, surefire has a much larger following to defend him.. you could still consider 47s a small/medium sized manufacturer.

Definitely, but I am sure that it is in his business plan to expand and become a much larger company.

The man has every right to confront a direct attack. Anyone that takes pride in his work would.

You defend a company you don't even own. Weird huh?

Greg, you are once again showing a lack of comprehension.
I said that he most definitely has a right to defend himself & his business.

I simply stated that companies normally try to keep out of the mud slinging and take the moral high ground, as stated by angelofwar.

I do not find it weird, that I defend a company I don't own, at all. I am a fan.
Does that mean that all of the sports fans in the world, are wrong for defending their favorite team, just because they don't own it??

If I ever see a CEO of a company reply to an internet forum complaint, I will laugh. It is ridiculous. Business is business.
In business, sometimes people make things up about companies they don't like... it is all part of the game.

 

[LeifUK]

Armed_Forces, you have my vote. You other guys with the remarks about the cold war etc, at such times you are actually using leftist style cold-war tactics to stifle your opponent! :huh:

Sorry but you lost me there. Armed Forces made some racist remarks which are out of line with the general forum 'tone'. He also made some offensive remarks about a US company that designs and sells flashlights. And I do not care for your derogatory remark above. I am not a 'leftist' and I am not stifling anyone.

...which suddenly makes me seriously wonder about 4Sevens, I mean the company- although I submit they do make pretty good flashlights that are worth what they charge for them- just like Surefire does on both counts, only their lights are disproportionately better. The root difference, the socially important one, is that at the manufactoring end the paid value does not return to the workers of one of the companies, and I don't mean the ones in the Capitalist country.

Our car industry went under despite the company asking us to buy British. And your car industry is in trouble because they stayed with the large cars of the past, rather than moving to more energy efficient European sized cars. Unfortunately relying on patriotism to sell an inferior product (our cars were often quite bad) does not work. The truth is that a product must be good value or it will not sell. Surefire are expensive, but it is up to you to decide whether or not they are good value. They might be, I don't know.

I take it you don't buy an iPod (made in China), or bathroom scales (probably made in China), or cooking pans (probably made in China), or a digital camera (probably made in China or Japan) and so on.

Anyway Lads let's not have the flashlight cold war go nuclear. Coffee and flashlights at dawn, that's the answer!

 

[uknewbie]

Well the thread has finally descended into the "getting closed any second" stage I see.

For the few here who seem to constantly quote the USA as the prime benchmark of quality manufacturing, I think you need to open your eyes and remember that there is this whole world outside your country.

Germany, Japan, United Kingdom, Scandinavia and many other areas of the world are involved in quality manufacturing of many products, and are well known for it. The USA is not. You guys generally seem to want budget, low cost goods.

Surefire may well be an exception to this, and if so then great. I hope that continues.

 

[LeifUK]

Germany, Japan, United Kingdom, Scandinavia and many other areas of the world are involved in quality manufacturing of many products, and are well known for it. The USA is not.

Cough cough. Ahem. Actually America is known for many high quality products. Really Right Stuff and Kirk make first rate equipment for photography. Celestron and Meade make highly regarded telescopes used by amateurs and some professionals. Some of the most highly rated telescopes are made in America. Boeing aircraft ain't too bad either. And American space rockets are supposed to be okay. There is a common theme here. America (and the UK) cannot compete at the low end. So they must go to the high end, where quality and design are paramount, and countries with cheap labour cannot compete.