Glock27
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Dude....Perhaps they should have checked their O-rings.....they can't work straight out of the box as they don't come with battery installed.
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Zebralight quality??
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Marduke
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It's funny to watch a bunch of noobs try to interpret technical definitions....
IP68 as defined is NOT A MEASURE OF BEING WATERPROOF.
Take a 50M "waterproof" watch down to 50M and see what happens....
And to further complicate matters, I bet none of the above "tests" included proper maintenance prior to the "test".
IP68 as defined is NOT A MEASURE OF BEING WATERPROOF.
Take a 50M "waterproof" watch down to 50M and see what happens....
And to further complicate matters, I bet none of the above "tests" included proper maintenance prior to the "test".
Linger
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De-Lux
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I agree, but when they specifically state on their website that the H30 is "Protected against continuous immersion (1meter, >30 minutes)", Then the light better be able to withstand being emerged in a glass of water for a few minutes. Three meters is roughly 9 feet and the depth of a glass of water is no more than 10". They should label their torches as water resistant or splash resistant, Otherwise their info is a bit misleading.
P.S- just because I live under a bridge, it doesn't make me a troll!
De-Lux
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Good point. Next time I order a ZebraLight, I am going to have them ship it to me disassemble. There is no doubt that I could do a better job assembling it as apposed to the 8 year Chinese kid chained to his work bench in the ZebraLight factory!😗
Marduke
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That statement is from the spec, not from their advertising dept. The spec is for lab testing certification, NOT USE. That's why lab certification specifications are always much higher than what components are capable of in actual use.
The spec is also applicable to equipment in proper maintained condition, and judging by some of the obstinacy above, I suspect all maintenance has been utterly ignored.
De-Lux
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Then they should either remove that information from their website or add a disclaimer in regards to their products waterproof rating if this is indeed the case.
Marduke
Flashaholic
I think they are counting on the same common sense that drives the standard itself, which seems to be lacking in some places 😗
Most people realize it's a rating of being splash proof at best, same as other more common consumer electronics such as watches...
csshih
Flashlight Enthusiast
try getting anything from 4sevens, shiningbeam, flashlightconnection..
I've never had any problems with dry thread except from DX.
Im no industry insinder or flashlight guru and here is what I think...
If a company says their product can with stand 1m submersion for 30 minutes, if it can't stand up to 1 foot for 10 minutes I am not getting what I expected. I understand that 1.1m might make it leak or 31 minutes could make it leak so I would not push it that far... but I expect it to come straight from the factory and be able to have a battery inserted and do 1/3 what they claim in depth of submersion and time and work every single time.
If a company says their product can with stand 1m submersion for 30 minutes, if it can't stand up to 1 foot for 10 minutes I am not getting what I expected. I understand that 1.1m might make it leak or 31 minutes could make it leak so I would not push it that far... but I expect it to come straight from the factory and be able to have a battery inserted and do 1/3 what they claim in depth of submersion and time and work every single time.
Marduke
Flashaholic
But you are confusing the claim of being able to be submerged, and the claim of meeting a spec (which is not well understood).
jzmtl
Flashlight Enthusiast
They can, under static conditions, as stated by IP standard test condition, and said many times already in this thread. I don't know why people keep expecting the same water resistance under much more demanding situations.
Unless it's a dive light, treat it as splashable and dunkable in a puddle.
I got a response from the dealer, they are not aware of H60 is under any recall.
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De-Lux
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How is being submersed in a glass of water for 10 minutes more demanding than being submersed 1meter for 30 minutes. You don't make any sense.
Marduke
Flashaholic
hopeless...
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jzmtl
Flashlight Enthusiast
Re-read the depth specification of watch posted earlier, you would see dynamic pressure is much much higher than static pressure at the same depth. A watch rated for 30 meter should not even be taken swimming, and zebralight is only rated for 1 meter.
Marduke
Flashaholic
I am a consumer... an average consumer. If I cant take a light or any IPX8 certified product and not hit any switches or move it other than slowly and carfully lowering it into a few inches of water. Wait 1/3 the listed time and carefully remove it wihtout issue then the product is not meeting expectations. It is not even meeting the spec. It is failing something MUCH lower than the spec. There is nothing more to understand.
Zebralight should not be putting the words into advertising telling the consumer that their product can be placed in water of a certain depth and maintain a waterproof integrity if it cannot be done. If it cannot be done under my simple conditions it cannot be done under lab conditions. I am not talking about running water or swimming or pressure or movement in the water or activating any switches. If you cant do it being as careful as possible and with 1/3 the depth and 1/3 the time it will not meet the spec PERIOD. I am not misunderstanding a damned thing.
Zebralight sent a specially prepped unit for testing if any testing was done at all. I suspect it was not done and it does not meet their established spec.
More specifically I am concerned about real world effects. My CTC laser grips on my pistol are in NO WAY waterproofed nor is any level claimed. However I can submerge them and use them underwater for a minute at about a foot deep and pull the pistol out of a foot of water and everything works fine... I am OK with that. Zebrallight has failures doing such things claiming 1m 30 minutes of submersion is OK. That is not cool. That is not honest. I took my M900 and put it underwater as well. The light worked fine but the LEDs turn on as they are not waterproofed. Thats fine but I want to know what will happen... the light is waterproofed, the LEDs are not. Surefire is pretty open about that if asked.
What I want to know is what is the official position of Zebralight? Is a light placed in a few inches of water for 10 minutes or less that quits working defective and covered under warranty? Is that a common problem? Is something going to be done about it?
How is water entry that causes your light to not work considered OK as part of the IPX8 standard? Where is the part about water entry under the minimum spec that ruins the light being OK in print? This arguement about semantics is ****ing ridiculous. NOTING I said had to do with dynamic pressure.
Zebralight should not be putting the words into advertising telling the consumer that their product can be placed in water of a certain depth and maintain a waterproof integrity if it cannot be done. If it cannot be done under my simple conditions it cannot be done under lab conditions. I am not talking about running water or swimming or pressure or movement in the water or activating any switches. If you cant do it being as careful as possible and with 1/3 the depth and 1/3 the time it will not meet the spec PERIOD. I am not misunderstanding a damned thing.
Zebralight sent a specially prepped unit for testing if any testing was done at all. I suspect it was not done and it does not meet their established spec.
More specifically I am concerned about real world effects. My CTC laser grips on my pistol are in NO WAY waterproofed nor is any level claimed. However I can submerge them and use them underwater for a minute at about a foot deep and pull the pistol out of a foot of water and everything works fine... I am OK with that. Zebrallight has failures doing such things claiming 1m 30 minutes of submersion is OK. That is not cool. That is not honest. I took my M900 and put it underwater as well. The light worked fine but the LEDs turn on as they are not waterproofed. Thats fine but I want to know what will happen... the light is waterproofed, the LEDs are not. Surefire is pretty open about that if asked.
What I want to know is what is the official position of Zebralight? Is a light placed in a few inches of water for 10 minutes or less that quits working defective and covered under warranty? Is that a common problem? Is something going to be done about it?
How is water entry that causes your light to not work considered OK as part of the IPX8 standard? Where is the part about water entry under the minimum spec that ruins the light being OK in print? This arguement about semantics is ****ing ridiculous. NOTING I said had to do with dynamic pressure.
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Marduke
Flashaholic
I actually had the OK from my GF and had 2 of the 501s in my box for checkout a few minutes ago when I first posted in this thread. The BS about it meets spec but is not waterproof really made me consider if I was willing to spend $124 on lights that dont meet the claimed IPX8 spec. I didnt order. I think at least it made me make a more carefully considered decision. I will await some kind of response from Zebralight about why their lights fail to meet the spec. I have never had a light that could not be submerged in a foot of water for 10 minutes. I will be damned if I start now with a $60 light made in China that wont meet published specs. Heck I can accept mildly radioactive materials or child labor since they dont claim thsoe are not used in production but I just cant accept lying about meeting a spec. At some point you just have to be pissed off enough to vote with your dollars.
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Then explain it.
UNIT MUST BE OK SUBMERGED 1m FOR 30 MIN
UNIT FAILS AT SHALLOWER DEPTH AND LESS TIME = PASS
Yeah that makes sense.
More specifically Zebra light claims... "Protected against continuous immersion (1 meter, >30 minutes)"
This is obviously a lie.
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