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    Default McR-Comparison

    Here is a small comparison of the most widely used McR-Reflectors, meaning the McR-20 of the Aleph2, the McR-27 of the Aleph1, the McR-38 of the Aleph3 and the new McR-27L of the even newer 27LT.

    Camera settings and surroundings are static and fixed, the Alephs all use an UV1J DB917 LE, but the 27LT has a UX1K DB917 combo ... meaning there is the Lottery playing between the Aleph LE and the 27LT.
    Thus the Alephs are directly comparable whereas the 27LT has to be taken with a grain of salt.

    You get a typical white-wall shot and an underexposed white-wall shot to show details of the hot-spot as well as a crappy room shot for the real-life experience all merged together in a big comparison picture.

    Single pics:

    27LT:




    Aleph1:




    Aleph2:




    Aleph3:





    And the comparison pic:




    The 27L sports the tightest and brightes corona of all the participants and is a very impressive reflector, especially for the size! A very concentrated and useful beam, just like the McR-20, but even better.
    The others are the usual suspects, and I won't go into greater detail here, but please feel free to ask questions or demand more pics if the info presented seems to be insufficient.

    EDIT:
    To clarify the corona brightness ... here's a greyscale pic with the hotspots removed:



    Please note that by removing the spot there is a different amount of total light removed for each light, depending on the size and brightness of the spot. The coronas are no indicator of total output ... they are just an indicator for the ... corona . And for the transition spill to spot.

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    Default Re: McR-Comparison

    Here are the older comparison pics:








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    Default Re: McR-Comparison

    Some more beamshot sources for McGizmo products:


    Outdoor Shootout #1:
    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=118177

    Outdoor Shootout #2:
    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=96686

    Reflector Shootout from pics above:
    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=71345

    Old Outdoor Shootout:
    http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=42600


    McR-19 shots can be found in the Aleph-FAQ.


    bernie
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    Default Re: McR-Comparison

    Bernie,
    Judging from those beam shots, the Aleph 1 looks like a brighter corona than the 27LT which I have not found to be the case at any distance. I don't consider either the 27LT or the Aleph3 and HD45 as indoor lights unless one needs to overcome ambient light and shadows. I concur with your comments at the bottom of the post but the images seem to be contradictory or maybe it is just my dirty display on the laptop.
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    Default Re: McR-Comparison

    To me it looks way brighter. The 27LT I mean. The problem could be the tint difference ... guess I should have converted to black&white, but I hate doing that normally ...
    There is a type of perfection that transcends the quest for lumens. Buying a $250 1-cell light for "lum factor" is like buying a $250 single malt Scotch for the alcohol content.
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    My shoes are too tight. But it doesn't matter, because I have forgotten how to dance.

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    Looking at the shots on my PC with larger and cleaner display, it looks more like I would have expected. The other challenge is remembering one while scrolling to see another. Just ignore me!
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    CR2 II only 385 Lux. But wait, that's the one with a cut-down NX-05 optic and MadMax lite driver. Well, at least it's over half the Lux of the L4, and will probably drop inside it.

    That's a for including it!

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    Default Re: McR-Comparison

    A1 on the left, 27L on the right with the same correction to both.

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    Default Re: McR-Comparison

    OK .. I'm back.

    Don ... just for you, I made a no-scrolling version:




    Larry ... you already said that a year ago ... when I originally posted those pics
    I know it is unfair, but considering size and a runtime of 2h+ as well as the power source I think we all know which light we'd all want of those posted


    Seriously now, here's a greyscale pic of the 4 shots with the hotspots removed to be able to judge the corona and hotspot-fade only:



    Better now?
    Please do not forget that by removing the hotspot from those pics we are removing different quantities of light, as the 27LT for example has a lot more punch in the spot than the Aleph2 ...
    All this is quite difficult.

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    Last edited by Kiessling; 05-16-2006 at 11:47 AM.
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    My shoes are too tight. But it doesn't matter, because I have forgotten how to dance.

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    Default Re: McR-Comparison

    Now THOSE are some beamshots! Great work!

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    Bernie, I couldn't remember my own name if people didn't shout it at me all the time!

    Larry
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    Default Re: McR-Comparison

    as the 27LT for example has a lot more punch in the spot than the Aleph2 ...
    How does it compare to the A1 which is also 27mm in diameter?

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    Default Re: McR-Comparison

    It has a hotter spot that fades much more gently into a brighter corona ... making a way more useful beam for a little more length. I call it a small revolution, just like the McR-20 was. After all, this one is the bigger brother of the McR-20.
    bernie
    There is a type of perfection that transcends the quest for lumens. Buying a $250 1-cell light for "lum factor" is like buying a $250 single malt Scotch for the alcohol content.
    - paulr


    It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black.
    My shoes are too tight. But it doesn't matter, because I have forgotten how to dance.

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