Don't use magnets w/li-ion cell positive contact issues

cy

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Don't use magnets w/li-ion cell positive contact issues.

Li-ion technologies has progressed at a rate hard to predict a short year ago.

It's not been that long since JSB pioneered the protected R123 by investing a large sum $$$. The current batch of consumer li-ion cells available in all sort of configurations is direct result.

Sure seems Li-ion mfg sometimes don't have a clue as to what is needed for successful use in the field. making flat top protected or bare li-ion cells meant for consumer devices designed for raised positive nipple may aply.

practice of giving/selling magnets to help make positive contact is not a safe one. even if the li-ion cells is protected, why would somone want to repeatly test the safety device built-in.

best and safest way to for mfg to design a cell with raised positive nipples. but all cells currently in pipeline will be sold reguardless of defective design. witness the li-ion charger that caught on fire early in li-ion technology life-cycle. those same chargers are still being sold on ebay.

next best practice is aply a dab of solder on your board. putting a dab of solder on positive nipple may kill PTC, if you are not quick enough.

supporting use of magnets on positive nipple is a marginal practice at best. magnets will shift, possibly bridging to ground on cell and/or flashlight body. use of magnets on negative end of li-ion cell usually indicates shoddy workmanship.

li-ion cells have very little internal resistance and will discharge at huge amps. hot enough to weld with.

not enough has been made of li-ion cell's inherent dangers when charging. Li-ion cells don't have a peak and will accept a charge for so long as you deliver charging current. most low end li-ion charger will not terminate charge, but will continue to deliver a trickle charge until you unplug charger. never charge your li-ion cells unattended.

charging multi-cell li-ion packs adds further danger to charging li-ion cells. unless you are using a li-ion charger specifically engineered for that particular protected li-ion pack. I'd charge li-ion cells one at a time.

dangers of charging multi-cell li-ion packs is one huge advantage multi-cell NMH packs like M6R enjoys. It's not by accident large mfg of multi-cell packs like Dewalt and Milwaukee is now using Saphion li-ion technology. Until Saphion li-ion cell technology tickles down. Multi-cell NHM packs large enough to drive Surefire M6 will be safer than multi-cell li-ion packs.

Venting with flames is what we want to avoid!

OK, flame-suit on... flame away :D
 
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cy said:
Venting with flames is what we want to avoid!

OK, flame-suit on... flame away :D

But it apparently happens to Dell laptop batteries too.. Perhaps that battery in the incident wasn't an OEM?
 

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cy said:
Don't use magnets w/li-ion cell positive contact issues.

I think that's too broad a statement.

As long as folks are up to speed on the potential problems and risks that using magnets in certain battery applications entales and heed the warnings then I see no need to be alarmed.

I use a magnet between a pair of wrapped 18650's in a ROP-LE and feel that as long as the battery tops are in sound condition and the anti-rattle wrapping is non conductive (ie, rubber or vinyl hose) there is little chance of the magnet causing a problem.

Using a bunch of magnets in some of the 3 or 4AA to D cell, 6,7,8 AA to 2 X D cell, and 9,10,11,12 AA to 3 X D cell adapters that are out there is however, a different story.
 

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