100 Lumen Rated SF vs. HDS 60
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jayflash
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Yes, both ratings are accurate. The SFs will outflood the U60 which has a moderate "hot spot" with bright corona. L4 & L2 = flood. U60 can throw more.
Is there a Surefire LED that could be equated to a HDS 60 on steroids - even if it is somewhat larger? I guess what I am asking is, what LED lights obviously and substantially out throw, and produce more light than, the HDS 60 (excluding those with multiple LEDs - I know my ELX-6 can do it) 
I LOVE my HDS 60. I would like to get a single LED torch that SUBSTANTIALLY outperforms it, if such a thing exists - larger form factor not a problem.
Thanks!
I LOVE my HDS 60. I would like to get a single LED torch that SUBSTANTIALLY outperforms it, if such a thing exists - larger form factor not a problem.
Thanks!
270winchester
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THe L5, L6, and L7 should do well against the HDS.
cheapo
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as would the u2.
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skalomax
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Wouldnt the E1L,E2L,L1 all outhrow the HDS because the Optics. Also the New KL3 will Destroy the HDS in throw.
270winchester
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cheapo said:
there seems to be a lynching party out for the U2 around here so I was trying to avoid controversy over its reliability, tint, beam shape, etc.
270winchester
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skalomax said:
in stock for, the Kl1 does not outthrow the U60. the gen 1.5 Kl3 does(which I have), not sure about the newest version of the Kl3 though.
I sent my Kl1 to CM to boost the current to 1amp and now it out throws the U60 very easily.....
The E2e is "brighter" than the HDS - I was comparing them recently, though they are so different (E2e being Incan) and is not what I am really asking about.
I doubt the KL1 can out-shine the HDS, but I don't have one on hand to compare. Regarding the KL3 - I have no experience with that head, but it is rated at....19 lumens? Is this right? How does it kill the 60 lumen HDS?
Also, I'm looking for a significantly higher output and throw, not a minor improvement.
I doubt the KL1 can out-shine the HDS, but I don't have one on hand to compare. Regarding the KL3 - I have no experience with that head, but it is rated at....19 lumens? Is this right? How does it kill the 60 lumen HDS?
Also, I'm looking for a significantly higher output and throw, not a minor improvement.
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270winchester
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Blindspot said:
optics have come a long way my friend....
270winchester said:
I'm not unfamiliar with optics. I generally prefer lights without optics, and am considering converting my Stenlight to a new reflector and no optics. That said, if the KL3 is putting out 19 lumens and the optics are responsible for throwing those 19 lumens really far - whoopie. I have a cheapo River Rock with optics that can put a circle of light way the heck out there - no spill at all and more or less useless for my purposes (I know - the RR is junk compared to any SF, but you get my point. :naughty: )
How about 100 lumens + output + throw = HDS EDC 60 + 40% more. Who am I?
270winchester
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Blindspot said:
did you miss my recommendation of L5, L6 and L7?
EuroBeetle
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The U2 will make the HDS look like a candle,at least mine will.
270winchester said:
Nope - those were the ones I came up with as well by just reviewing claimed lumen output and so forth. I haven't seen a review of the L6 or L7, but the output and throw stats on the L5 are not substantially greater than the EDC-60.
Of course, that may not mean much, and the L5 might obviously outperform the EDC 60 in a comparison test.
skalomax
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The New Surefire L1 throws the same as the HDS 60 both rated at around 38. The Kl3 throws 53.00 Which is about the same throw as a M2 with a P60. The KL1 module throws 36 and the KL1 with 2 cell throws 40. KL3 pure throw monster.
Art Vandelay
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Blindspot said:Is there a Surefire LED that could be equated to a HDS 60 on steroids - even if it is somewhat larger? I guess what I am asking is, what LED lights obviously and substantially out throw, and produce more light than, the HDS 60 (excluding those with multiple LEDs - I know my ELX-6 can do it)
I LOVE my HDS 60. I would like to get a single LED torch that SUBSTANTIALLY outperforms it, if such a thing exists - larger form factor not a problem.
Thanks!
It's apples and oranges, but if you want a non-multiple LED that has more than double lux (throw) of the HDS 60, try the LED Logic Striker VG. http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/ledlogic_strikervg.htm
In a two cell (E2e) package, the KL1 with optics will probably out throw the HDS60. A KL1 can be modified to really out perform the HDS60 if you modify the circuit and boost the current to the LED to 700mA. The increase in output is 25% and while small (less than 1dB), it is noticeable and measurable. Some people opt for driving the lux at 1A which is around 50% increase. This should result in around 50% increase in output which is about a 1.8dB in increase which you can definitely perceive. Going higher will get you past the point of diminishing returns.
270winchester
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Blindspot said:
to quote QUickbeam's review, the U60XR scored a 44 on overall output while the L5 scored 60. That's 33% higher than the U60, or is that too small of a difference?
The newer L5s are rumored to be brighter than the average L5 from a few years anyway.
