Fenix P1

Alin10123 · Jul 12, 2006

Hey guys,
Quick question, is the output of the Fenix P1 really 55 lumens? Based on the beam shots, it seems a little inflated. Just checking because if it's regulated and can hold that for 1:45 on one cell, that's pretty darn impressive.
By the way, both finished black and natural are HA3 correct?

thanks

lotsalumens · Jul 12, 2006

I don't know exactly how many lumens the P1 outputs, but I can say that in a side by side comparison with my HDS B60 (60 lumens) the P1 seems to be putting out noticeably fewer. The numbers might be inflated a bit, but it is still a remarkably powerful little light. There is a good review here with output comparisons to other lights (not in lumens but still very useful):

http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/fenix_p1.htm

cfb

luminata · Jul 12, 2006

I would agree. I have a light that I know is putting out at least 60lumens and my P1 is not as bright. someone on here told me once that the output of any given light has to be double to even notice a difference between two lights but that would mean the p1 is putting out 30 lumens or less and I know it is got to be more than that maybe 40 . but definitely not 60lumens or 55 lumens. both are HA111 I have the black . I will say this , when I first got it I was not super impressed but I carry it every day in the change pocket of my jeans and damn if I dont go for that p1 all the time. I have grown to really like this chubby little thing . it really is impressive when you compare its diminutive size and the output with a minimag or a Inova or something like that . it is brite and well made I woul get one.

Warp · Jul 13, 2006

According to flashlightreviews.com the relative overal output is 28. That happens to be the same output as a Streamlight PP 4AA Luxeon which is accurately (if not under) rated at 40 lumens.

lotsalumens · Jul 13, 2006

Interesting. I just compared my SL PP 4AA Lux to the P1 with a fresh primary and the SL is much brighter overall. Granted beam profiles are very different with the SL's large reflector creating an intense hotspot, however the spill is also a lot brighter with the Streamlight. In fact the Streamlight is just about the same brightness as the HDS B60.

cfb

NewBie · Jul 13, 2006

lotsalumens said:
I don't know exactly how many lumens the P1 outputs, but I can say that in a side by side comparison with my HDS B60 (60 lumens) the P1 seems to be putting out noticeably fewer. The numbers might be inflated a bit, but it is still a remarkably powerful little light. There is a good review here with output comparisons to other lights (not in lumens but still very useful):

http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/fenix_p1.htm
cfb

If you take a look at the overall output for the HDS 60, which has had multiple lights measured at a lab facility by an independent company, they pretty consistently measure 60 lumens ouput.

Now look up Maximum and read the number under Overall Output:
http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/hds_edcu60xr.htm

You will find 4430 (44.30) listed for the HDS 60.

On the Fenix P1 on that site, you will see 2800 (28.00).

Do a little math and you will see that the rough lumen number for the Fenix P1 is about 37.9 lumens.

In testing(and this is from a weak memory), of the Fenix L0P light, the lab measured roughly half of Fenix's claim.

Ah, found it....

http://www.arcflashlights.com/1xaaa.html

They got 15 lumens and 17 lumens from two different lights at the lab.

Fenix rates the L0P at 30 lumens.
http://www.fenixlight.com/flashlight/fenixl0.htm

So, yes, the light produced about half the lumen claim. Important to note is the graph:

http://www.arcflashlight.com/images/RuntimeSL2a.JPG
http://www.arcflashlight.com/images/RuntimeArc2a.JPG

You can see the thermal protection kick in at about 7 minutes on the HDS 60:
http://www.arcflashlight.com/images/Runtime1353a.JPG

Warp · Jul 13, 2006

NewBie said:
Do a little math and you will see that the rough lumen number for the Fenix P1 is about 37.9 lumens.

Not bad. The P1 is on my very short list of lights to aquire next. I'll take nearly 2 hours of 38 lumens in that size and form factor.

tsask · Jul 13, 2006

I am suprised to see the P1 at less than 40 lumens. I thought it was more like 70 on those RCR123s. This must mean that an ORB Raw/Ns should SMOKE my beloved P1!

Warp · Jul 13, 2006

tsask said:
I am suprised to see the P1 at less than 40 lumens. I thought it was more like 70 on those RCR123s. This must mean that an ORB Raw/Ns should SMOKE my beloved P1!

That output is probably with primary lithiums.

Personally I dont plan to use the RCRs, runtime turns to crap. I want more than a half hour out of an EDC light.

Well, my next EDC light. On that I carry only runs for 20 minutes. lol

Alin10123 · Jul 13, 2006

tsask said:
I am suprised to see the P1 at less than 40 lumens. I thought it was more like 70 on those RCR123s. This must mean that an ORB Raw/Ns should SMOKE my beloved P1!

For about 12 minutes. lol

Alin10123 · Jul 13, 2006

Hey guys, By the way... natural finish? or black? fenix-store.com only shows black in stock. (i think).
I'm kind of torn between the two as i think they both look sharp.
Thoughts? opinions?

thanks

gadgetnerd · Jul 13, 2006

Alin10123 said:
Hey guys, By the way... natural finish? or black? fenix-store.com only shows black in stock. (i think).
I'm kind of torn between the two as i think they both look sharp.
Thoughts? opinions?

thanks

I got the natural finish P1. Even my wife, who hates all my torches, thinks it looks good

lotsalumens · Jul 13, 2006

I have a natural P1 and a black L0P. Both look great. My guess is that the natural may hide scratches and signs of wear better than the black. Time will tell.

cfb

carrot · Jul 13, 2006

I personally like the looks of the black better than the natural. Usually I'm all over HA-Nat but in this case the darker color appeals to me more. :shrug:

Randy Shackleford · Jul 13, 2006

Anyone compare the P1 w/ RCR to one of those 60 lumen lights?

.

Ivanhoe · Jul 13, 2006

I haven't compared it to any 60 lumen lights but I do run mine on both lighthound and battery station rcr123's and this light is very impressive for such a small package. I edc it everyday now (it is the natural color) no signs of visible wear as of yet. I dig this light....for $40 and change you can't go wrong... I would use it as my late night bathroom/ck on the kids light but no "low" setting. So, my SF L4- McE2s w/ 60ohm pcb will continue to be utilized until something else comes along. or not...

jsr · Jul 13, 2006

I compared my P1 on a R123A to my Jet1 on a primary 123A. According to FLR, the Jet1 on 123A is about 50 lumens. The P1 on R123A was very close, maybe slightly brighter, so I'd say it's definitely in that 50 lumen range.

I got a Nat to keep and picked up a couple of Black ones for relatives. I personally prefer the Nat, but that's because I have a lot of black lights.

voodoogreg · Jul 13, 2006

NewBie said:
If you take a look at the overall output for the HDS 60, which has had multiple lights measured at a lab facility by an independent company, they pretty consistently measure 60 lumens ouput.

Now look up Maximum and read the number under Overall Output:
http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/hds_edcu60xr.htm

You will find 4430 (44.30) listed for the HDS 60.

On the Fenix P1 on that site, you will see 2800 (28.00).

Do a little math and you will see that the rough lumen number for the Fenix P1 is about 37.9 lumens.

In testing(and this is from a weak memory), of the Fenix L0P light, the lab measured roughly half of Fenix's claim.

Ah, found it....

http://www.arcflashlights.com/1xaaa.html

They got 15 lumens and 17 lumens from two different lights at the lab.

Fenix rates the L0P at 30 lumens.
http://www.fenixlight.com/flashlight/fenixl0.htm

So, yes, the light produced about half the lumen claim. Important to note is the graph:

http://www.arcflashlight.com/images/RuntimeSL2a.JPG
http://www.arcflashlight.com/images/RuntimeArc2a.JPG

You can see the thermal protection kick in at about 7 minutes on the HDS 60:
http://www.arcflashlight.com/images/Runtime1353a.JPG

Keep in mind the basic used had a saphire len's, one poster mentioned this since the high setting shouldv'e be very similar given most account's of HDS
production standards. VDG

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