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    Default Indoor Shootout

    I just did a qick and dirty indoor shootout featuring some of my current lights.

    Camera settings are fixed of course, and the "environment" (that would be my living room) is dirty ... meaning you got high contrast, reflections and backscatter all over the place. The real world instead of a white wall.

    All lights had fresh batteries in them.
    The camera was put to "daylight" white balance, and the tints of the LEDs as well as the incan glow are greatly overemphasized here.

    For example, the McLuxIII-PD-Ti has a vanilla tint in reality, and we all know how the A2 should look. Digital cameras aren't there yet, or, as an alternative, the user isn't either

    Of course the shots came out too dark , and I consequently altered the brightness. As all were treated the same way, a comparison is still valid.

    BUT ... remember the Luxeon Lottery

    Here are the pics without further comment:







































    bernie
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    Default Re: Indoor Shootout

    Nice pictures Bernie, very interesting

    Best regards

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    Default Re: Indoor Shootout

    Great Shots!!!! Bernie, I must commend you on your photographic technique. Very nice shots indeed!!!
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    Default Re: Indoor Shootout

    Does the L4 tint really look that sick?
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    Default Re: Indoor Shootout

    No, it doesn't. It is on the warm and slightly green side, but not this green as in the pic.
    My camera exaggerated all tints including incan yellow when set to "daylight". None of those lights that do show a tint have it to that extent.

    However ... any LED light, even the whitest ones, will show a tint once you fire it up next to another LED light onto a white wall.
    If you are critical about tint, I wouldn't do this

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    Default Re: Indoor Shootout

    Thanks for sharing!
    Your U2 and L2 beams look fantastic (so does the L6-PP).
    Are these the cream of your crop in your opinion or would you pick a different top three beams?

    Al

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    For tint, the L2, U2 and L6 are top notch, and the M180 and L5 come closely behind (LED only of course).

    The UV1J tint of the McLuxIII-PD-Ti looks greenish here, but is in fact vanilla. My best tint so far in my very personal opinion, looks a bit like a very white incan. More natural then the pure white. A recent discovery only, but from now on I'll take xV1x whenever I can.

    For brightness / overachievers ... the U2 and L2 are candidates.

    For beam shape ... too much depending on the task at hand. I prefer the U2 and everything that is McR20 or McR-27L equipped ... because of corona and spill management as well as area coverage in the medium field.


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    Default Re: Indoor Shootout

    Excellent shots as always Bernie !!!

    yep, I Definately need an E series 27L head, yep, gots to have one.

    ~John

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    Default Re: Indoor Shootout

    John, 27L reflector fits into a G2 and with a little coaxing, also into a C2 head... nice combo with an E2C adapter.

    Then there's the one I cut down to fit in my Aleph2 head...



    Quote Originally Posted by jtice
    Excellent shots as always Bernie !!!

    yep, I Definately need an E series 27L head, yep, gots to have one.

    ~John
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    Bernie,

    You must have a PERFECT U2! Mine is good, but that looks like NO donut, very bright!

    Great pics, BTW!!!

    Thanks for the work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by milkyspit
    John, 27L reflector fits into a G2 and with a little coaxing, also into a C2 head... nice combo with an E2C adapter.

    Then there's the one I cut down to fit in my Aleph2 head...

    ohhhh very interesting.
    Do you have to cut much of it off to get it in the C2?
    Also, is there a fairly easy way to convert the C2 to led?

    I would rather have an e series head,
    but making a C2 head to go on my L5 body wouldnt be bad either.

    ~John

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    Default Re: Indoor Shootout

    Nice pictures.

    That L4 looks anemic compared to the L2 (and compared to the U2 and L6 as well). How old is the different lights, maybe the newer lights are better performing?
    I would expect the L6 porky to get better than average emitters, so maybe your U2 and L2 are over achievers.

    I hope someone will start making 27L E series heads

    Sigbjoern

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtice
    ohhhh very interesting.
    Do you have to cut much of it off to get it in the C2?
    Also, is there a fairly easy way to convert the C2 to led?

    I would rather have an e series head,
    but making a C2 head to go on my L5 body wouldnt be bad either.

    ~John
    I just did this very mod, its not oo hard if you have access to a lathe. You have to remove about 5mm from the wide end of the reflector, then remove all the steps from the outside so it is a smooth cone. Then build an Aleph light engine kit to your desired specs. The LE screws into the E2C adapter, drop the reflector in the top and screw in to your C2 head then you are done. See my thread here:
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=128641

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    Wow nice pics!

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    Great!! . The CR2 Ion is Really Dull .
    I miss my Milkmods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurveleven
    Nice pictures.

    That L4 looks anemic compared to the L2 (and compared to the U2 and L6 as well). How old is the different lights, maybe the newer lights are better performing?
    Sigbjoern
    With a current L4 that I recently got, the roles were turned in comparison with my L2 (and it isnt shabby). So yes, the new lights might be getting the results of a maturing manufactoring process.

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    Default Re: Indoor Shootout

    nice pics!

    you wouldnt happen to have outdoor beamshots of those lights as well would you?

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    Default Re: Indoor Shootout

    John,

    I don't see how you're going to fit a 27L reflector in an E-series head... unless Don builds us something compatible!

    As far as the C2, it really isn't that large, and using a tapered ECBezel as sold at Lighthound makes IMHO a nice looking head. The 27L doesn't need anything cut off the end, it would just need a bit of sanding down the outside... the stock reflector gets hung up on the threads in the C2 head... probably only needs a small fraction of a millimeter of material removed from around the reflector's outside.

    You could us an eCan and drop it down into the ECBezel itself to mount the LED and circuit board... there's a thread floating around CPF someplace where somebody did exactly that. Pretty neat!


    Or you could get lazy and let me do a build for ya! Anyway, let me know if you need some help.


    Quote Originally Posted by jtice
    ohhhh very interesting.
    Do you have to cut much of it off to get it in the C2?
    Also, is there a fairly easy way to convert the C2 to led?

    I would rather have an e series head,
    but making a C2 head to go on my L5 body wouldnt be bad either.

    ~John
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    Default Re: Indoor Shootout

    Surefire is famous (infamous?) for slipstreaming improvements into their lights with no model number change, no product announcement, no indication whatsoever that anything has changed. One example: even in the OLD-STYLE L1, they started with a plain bezel, then switched to scalloped bezel, then started installing high dome emitters rather than the low domes they'd been using... and all the while the Surefire website didn't mention any of these changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna
    With a current L4 that I recently got, the roles were turned in comparison with my L2 (and it isnt shabby). So yes, the new lights might be getting the results of a maturing manufactoring process.
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    Yes, the L2 and U2 there are certainly overachievers in every aspect.
    Whereas the L4 is one of the very very first generation and is realtively dim compared to the others. Perfect donut-free beam though.

    Cutting down a McR-27L to fit into an Aleph2 head is basically ... McR-20 !!

    And yes, we absolutely need anAleph-LE compatible 27L head. Agreed.

    The CR2 Ion is a light running on a single CR2 for a long time and was outgunned from the beginning. This is not a "fair" comparo here, but is shows the very even flood of the Ion, which is why I included it. A comparison of power is ridiculous from the start, sorry about that.


    marxs ... I have quite a lot of outdoor shots. Which lights do you want to see?

    bernie


    P.S.: thanx for the nice words, guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by Size15's
    Thanks for sharing!
    Your U2 and L2 beams look fantastic (so does the L6-PP).
    I agree with this post!

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    marc,
    Did you notice much change in teh beam, cutting off that 5mm?

    Milkspit,
    I didnt want to put a 27L reflector in an E series head,

    I want a 27L head, that has E series threading

    I would rather have it on a E series body,
    but I wouldnt mind a C head one to go on my L5 body.
    Maybe that would be the more suitable route, seeing how the head will be about C/M series sise anyway.

    I might have to take you up on that offer some time milky, thanks.

    ~John

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    You sir have the U2 that everyone is or was looking for.

    Impressive

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    Default Re: Indoor Shootout

    Thanks for sharing Bernie. Very helpful for people trying to decide whether to buy one of the featured lights or not. (SF U2 mhmm hrmm)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtice
    marc,
    Did you notice much change in teh beam, cutting off that 5mm?
    Not at all, there is a lip inside the head that covers up most of the reflective part of what i cut off, if anything it improves it slightly because the reflective portion isnt masked anymore. It really is worth doing, i really like the one i made.
    marc

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    Man, where can I get one of those Mcr-38s? That thing is wicked! I'm suprised that the U2 looks the whitest out of all of them.
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    The McR-38 is the reflector of the Aleph3 heads and should also be available at the Shoppe.

    The U2 is less tinted than some of the others, true, but the tints are somewhat overexaggerated in those pics.
    Also, this U2 is an overachiever.

    And yes, 27L E-Series head that accepts Aleph LEs would be a blast. A C-Series head that accpets Aleph LEs would be almost as nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by milkyspit
    John, 27L reflector fits into a G2 and with a little coaxing, also into a C2 head... nice combo with an E2C adapter.

    Then there's the one I cut down to fit in my Aleph2 head...



    Whoa! Wait just a minute! What? I'd LOVE to get a LED setup like that for a G2 or 6P!!! I'm stunned. I want one of these NOW! Can someone build them? Whoever does is gonna be filty rich. More info, MORE INFO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiessling
    A C-Series head that accpets Aleph LEs would be almost as nice!

    bernie
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDOG3
    Me want. Get Don on it!
    I have tried ... believe me, I have tried ... and failed.
    He is only one man, and our wishes outnumber his available time by a large margin.
    bernie
    There is a type of perfection that transcends the quest for lumens. Buying a $250 1-cell light for "lum factor" is like buying a $250 single malt Scotch for the alcohol content.
    - paulr


    It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black.
    My shoes are too tight. But it doesn't matter, because I have forgotten how to dance.

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